Free For All Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 This particular forum seems like a lonely place so I'll start something. Forgive me if this has been covered before. Obviously the Real Book is full of errors (Dear Old Stockholm is a joke!) as well as other fake books. I have noticed there are often "regional" versions of changes on many tunes. One frequent universal abuse I hear is on "Footprints"- so many play the turnaround (bars 9-10 in 6/4) wrong. Usually you hear Ab7/G7/C minor or D7/Db7/C minor. The correct changes seem to be (two changes in each bar)F# half diminished/ B7 alt./ E7 alt./A7 alt./C minor. Another great Shorter sequence of altered function! So anyone have any pet peeves regarding change abuse? Favorite "wrong changes" anecdotes? Quote
Joe G Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 There's a running joke in our circle of musicians about B-3er's "homemade changes"... Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 Come on, get with the 90's!!! - those aren't "homemade"... They're "handcrafted"!!! Quote
JSngry Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 I hate it when cats use Miles' changes on the bridge of "Well, You Needn't" instead of Monk's. And speaking of Monk's changes and fake books, let's not... (the new "official" one excepted, of course) Quote
Daniel A Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 (edited) What does the Real Book give as the changes for 'Dear Old Stockholm'? Is it trying to make it resemble some Getz or Miles version or the actual traditional song it's based on (In Sweden it's called 'Ack Värmeland du sköna', which means something like "Oh, beautiful Värmeland")? Edited July 24, 2003 by Daniel A Quote
Joe G Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 Rooster_Ties said: Come on, get with the 90's!!! - those aren't "homemade"... They're "handcrafted"!!! ...and far be it from me to bite the hand that feeds me! Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted July 24, 2003 Report Posted July 24, 2003 (edited) It's more the melody that's a mess, the vamp is way wrong - also wrong chords there. It says Dm7 to Dm6 - but the tenor plays A to B-flat, not B and there's no mention of the pedal point being on A - the chord should really be A7 to A7b9. I'm using the Miles version. There's also a significant melody note that Miles plays as D which is written as E. The book lists the Miles version only, but that is NOT any proof that it was what they were attempting to notate. I haven't compared the Getz version. But basically this has marginally better relevance to the Miles version than the sheet on My Favorite Things has to the Coltrane version of that tune. Mike Edited July 24, 2003 by Michael Fitzgerald Quote
Shrdlu Posted July 25, 2003 Report Posted July 25, 2003 Miles messed several tunes up. Dave Brubeck said that he showed Miles his composition "In Your Own Sweet Way", but that Miles played one note wrong. Then, there is the infamous "When Lights Are Low", where Miles forgot the channel and just lifted the first part up a fourth. Hardly anyone has heard the original version, and Miles' version has often been copied. Also, the first version of "Desafinado" that I (and lots of others!) heard was the Getz one. That's wrong, in parts, too. Very recently, I got the "Composer Plays" album, by The Composer (a superb set, in case you don't have that one), and heard the correct melody statement. I sure agree with the comment about "Well, You Needn't". Monk's version is far better. Quote
JSngry Posted July 25, 2003 Report Posted July 25, 2003 And may I say how nice it is to once again hear the term channel! Quote
Shrdlu Posted July 25, 2003 Report Posted July 25, 2003 My parents used to call it the "middle bit", and my first name for it was the "middle 8". Quote
Shrdlu Posted July 26, 2003 Report Posted July 26, 2003 Only records and the radio. And also tennis. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted July 27, 2003 Report Posted July 27, 2003 Joe G said: There's a running joke in our circle of musicians about B-3er's "homemade changes"... Hey it's not just me. Frarey was quoting someone who said they didn't like organists because they use those "homemade changes". I can make the changes anything I damn well please. That's the beauty of kickin' bass! Quote
Soul Stream Posted July 27, 2003 Report Posted July 27, 2003 b3-er said: Joe G said: There's a running joke in our circle of musicians about B-3er's "homemade changes"... Hey it's not just me. Frarey was quoting someone who said they didn't like organists because they use those "homemade changes". I can make the changes anything I damn well please. That's the beauty of kickin' bass! That's the beauty of being an organist. Whatever changes you play, at least TWO guys in the band know what's going on, the keyboard player and the bass player ! That makes the guitarist sound like HE doesn't know what's up! I'm with Jim on the homemade changes! Quote
JSngry Posted July 27, 2003 Report Posted July 27, 2003 Soul Stream said: That's the beauty of being an organist. Whatever changes you play, at least TWO guys in the band know what's going on, the keyboard player and the bass player ! 3 if there's a drummer. MAY-be..... Hell man, homemade away. Of course, it IS best to know the "right" changes before departing from them, but ultimately, If it's what you feel and if it works... This is jazz, dig? The day that homemade-with-conviction-that-works no longer has a place is the day the music dies. Are we there yet? Quote
Soul Stream Posted July 27, 2003 Report Posted July 27, 2003 Ben Dixon told me musicians used to rag on Baby Face Willette because he didn't know the right changes to tunes. But, he sounds pretty damn good to me! Right changes or not. Quote
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