King Curtis on Prestige

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

I was playing King Curtis' two LPs made with Nat Adderley recently. I bought the records 2nd hand and they're not in good nick, so I thought I'd convert them to CD. But there may be a problem.

The two albums are:

The new scene of King Curtis and

Soul meeting.

New scene is available on OJC as a single album. Soul Meeting and New scene are available on Prestige PRCD24033, which appears to be a straight conversion to CD of the record I've got, PRLP24033, although that was called "Jazz groove" and the CD is called "Soul meeting". The track listing for the CD is the same as that of the double LP. The trouble is, the times of the LPs add up to 81 min 35 sec. That might be because I didn't time them correctly. It might also be that the CD version has some of the tracks cut down. That's what Prestige did with Charles Earland's "Leaving this planet" - I was so disappointed when I got the CD, after years of listening to the LP, I gave it to a friend. I complained to Fantasy and got a reply to the effect of "Oh well, this is what we thought was best".

Does anyone have LP and CD copies of these recordings? Can you confirm whether the CD version contains edited tracks?

Please help.

MG

[JohnS]

I don't know of an instance where Fantasy has edited down a track to fit one of their twofers. I suspect it's all there.

[jazzbo]

On the contrary, I've heard that they HAVE edited down a bit of a track to fit material on cd (Woody Shaw?)

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

And they definitely did it for "Leaving this planet".

MG

[Clunky]

On the contrary, I've heard that they HAVE edited down a bit of a track to fit material on cd (Woody Shaw?)

I think they admit to editing two tracks in fact on that Woody Shaw CD

[JohnS]

Thanks Lon, I stand corrected.

[jazzbo]

I wish I weren't correct!

[Shawn]

I've got the Soul Meeting twofer reissue. The total time shows as 79:19 in my CD player (the back of the CD case says 79:08). There is no mention of any editing or omissions (Fantasy usually admits it when they tinker).

I did a quick check of the ending of each song, there are only 2 tracks with board fade-outs: In A Funky Groove (10:36) & Soul Meeting (7:01).

When transferring from LP to CD, there are alot of opportunities to reduce the total playing time (usually length of fade out, time between tracks, etc).

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

I've got the Soul Meeting twofer reissue. The total time shows as 79:19 in my CD player (the back of the CD case says 79:08). There is no mention of any editing or omissions (Fantasy usually admits it when they tinker).

I did a quick check of the ending of each song, there are only 2 tracks with board fade-outs: In A Funky Groove (10:36) & Soul Meeting (7:01).

When transferring from LP to CD, there are alot of opportunities to reduce the total playing time (usually length of fade out, time between tracks, etc).

Thanks Shawn. I'll double check the times of those two cuts. Cutting down fade endings is what Fantasy did when they reduced "Leaving this Planet". As far as I can recollect, they didn't say they'd done that on the sleeve, but admitted it when I complained. That's why I want to be careful with this. Once bitten... When you've had LP versions for decades and are familiar with how a track ends, it's very disappointing to have it cut off in its prime.

Course, Fantasy has INCREASED a track once without saying so. "Funk Fantastique" is longer than "Morgan", which was a remix done after Lee was killed.

MG

[Guest]

You could try to use an 80 minute CD and overburn.

Or use a 90 minute CD

Edited March 11, 2006 by flat5

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

You could try to use an 80 minute CD and overburn.

Or use a 90 minute CD

Thanks but I want to BUY the CD - my LP versions are a bit shitty, see?

(Anyway, I don't have a thing that can create a digital thing from an LP.)

MG

[Shawn]

If I were you, I'd go ahead and buy the Fantasy reissue...it's well mastered and a really solid twofer. With only 1:30 or so difference I doubt they did much (if any) tinkering to make it fit.