Jazztropic Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I see so many posts about people complaining about import labels.They seem to have such a great selection of very rare recordings.Can someone please explain? Quote
JSngry Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 If I understand it correctly, EU copyright laws allow for material to enter the public domain after 50 years. Lonehill often doesn't wait that long before releasing things. They're thiefs. Quote
DMP Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 But I was able to get one of my all-time favorites, Illinois Jacquet's "The Message," which I thought I'd never see. (Although, after I got it, I saw it listed the other day as a Japanese import, which is probably legit.) Conte Candoli's "Coast To Coast' wound up on a couple of the "Cadence" critics top 2005 reissues lists. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I'm so pleased. I had a chance to get a color tv for $15 once. Quote
JSngry Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 But I was able to get one of my all-time favorites, Illinois Jacquet's "The Message," which I thought I'd never see. (Although, after I got it, I saw it listed the other day as a Japanese import, which is probably legit.) Well, there you go. I'd wager a good sammich that the Lonehill is a stright rip-off of the Japanese issue. Quote
Kalo Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 OK, the EU copyright laws are one thing, one thing which many people on this board have understandable objections to, but if Lonehill even flouts the laws of their own country, then there's absolutely no excuse for them in my opinion. I don't own any of their discs and don't plan to. Quote
JSngry Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I trade for their promo copies and then burn them for all my friends. Quote
AllenLowe Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 hey Chuck - was it a flat screen? Quote
Kalo Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I trade for their promo copies and then burn them for all my friends. Well, that's different. Quote
AllenLowe Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I buy them and than re-sell them in school yards to minors - Quote
AllenLowe Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) actually, what I really do is put them in a big pile in the middle of a room, set fire to them, and than dance in a naked circle around the flames - this way I don't have to pay mechanicals - Edited February 17, 2006 by AllenLowe Quote
B. Clugston Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I see so many posts about people complaining about import labels.They seem to have such a great selection of very rare recordings.Can someone please explain? Lonehill is pretty dishonest at times, too. Albert Ayler's Complete Live at Slug's Saloon is a good 16+ minutes from being "complete," while the bootleg of a bootleg Eric Dolphy Quartet Featuring Lalo Schifrin is remarkable for the fact that Schifrin isn't on it. Quote
Guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I see so many posts about people complaining about import labels.They seem to have such a great selection of very rare recordings.Can someone please explain? I think if we wait for reissues (like loneHill) from great american majors, in fifty years we still wait... The E.U has laws which are different from the USA, Japan is the only other land to reissue rarities (apart Mosaic) but this is very expensive and money is hard to find ... Thanks to LoneHill, RLR, disconforme, fr esh sound records for the music which I could not listen without them !! Quote
EKE BBB Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 There´s been a lot of discussion on Lonehill and other related labels. These are some of the previous threads: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...3&hl=definitive http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...topic=9189&st=0 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...&hl=disconforme http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...&hl=disconforme http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...topic=20626&hl= http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...opic=19181&st=0 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...topic=11123&hl= Quote
AllenLowe Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) at the risk of suffering the wrath of those who are gathered here, I have to admit I don't mind Lonehill and Fresh Sound as long as they do a decent mastering (or copying) job - the truth is that, without bootleggers, we would have about half the picture we now have of jazz history. I do have a problem when specific projects are copied (like a Mosaic box) but when otherwise unavailable recordings are made available than it's all to the good - expcially since I'd be willing to bet that the majors are paying nothing in royalties to artists and their estates anyway - I will not buy anything from Proper because their mastering is despicable, and their are more and more small lables confusing distortion with clean sound - Edited February 17, 2006 by AllenLowe Quote
mikeweil Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 at the risk of suffering the wrath of those who are gathered here, I have to admit I don't mind Lonehill and Fresh Sound as long as they do a decent mastering (or copying) job - the truth is that, without bootleggers, we would have about half the picture we now have of jazz history. I do have a problem when specific projects are copied (like a Mosaic box) but when otherwise unavailable recordings are made available than it's all to the good - especially since I'd be willing to bet that the majors are paying nothing in royalties to artists and their estates anyway My thoughts exactly. Quote
brownie Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 at the risk of suffering the wrath of those who are gathered here, I have to admit I don't mind Lonehill and Fresh Sound as long as they do a decent mastering (or copying) job - the truth is that, without bootleggers, we would have about half the picture we now have of jazz history. I do have a problem when specific projects are copied (like a Mosaic box) but when otherwise unavailable recordings are made available than it's all to the good - especially since I'd be willing to bet that the majors are paying nothing in royalties to artists and their estates anyway My thoughts exactly. Same here. Allen summed it perfectly and expressed it better than I would have... Quote
BruceH Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I trade for their promo copies and then burn them for all my friends. Can I be your friend? Quote
P.D. Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 at the risk of suffering the wrath of those who are gathered here, I have to admit I don't mind Lonehill and Fresh Sound as long as they do a decent mastering (or copying) job - the truth is that, without bootleggers, we would have about half the picture we now have of jazz history. I do have a problem when specific projects are copied (like a Mosaic box) but when otherwise unavailable recordings are made available than it's all to the good - especially since I'd be willing to bet that the majors are paying nothing in royalties to artists and their estates anyway My thoughts exactly. Same here. Allen summed it perfectly and expressed it better than I would have... And again.. just look at the coverage of west coast jazz they have, THe Candoli's, Stu Williamson, Don Fagerquist, Childers, Ferguson..... and that's just some of the trumpet players.... If the " legit" companies served these up at reasonable prices, I'm sure most of us would go there. Quote
JSngry Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I trade for their promo copies and then burn them for all my friends. Can I be your friend? Do you have Ring Girls? Quote
RDK Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 at the risk of suffering the wrath of those who are gathered here, I have to admit I don't mind Lonehill and Fresh Sound as long as they do a decent mastering (or copying) job - the truth is that, without bootleggers, we would have about half the picture we now have of jazz history. I do have a problem when specific projects are copied (like a Mosaic box) but when otherwise unavailable recordings are made available than it's all to the good - especially since I'd be willing to bet that the majors are paying nothing in royalties to artists and their estates anyway My thoughts exactly. Same here. Allen summed it perfectly and expressed it better than I would have... And again.. just look at the coverage of west coast jazz they have, THe Candoli's, Stu Williamson, Don Fagerquist, Childers, Ferguson..... and that's just some of the trumpet players.... If the " legit" companies served these up at reasonable prices, I'm sure most of us would go there. I'm not actually familiar with Lonehill, but for them and their ilk, financial recompense aside, I do have to laud them for rescuing many relatively unknown artists from obscurity. Some things, after all, are (or should be) more valuable than money. Really now, are there any legit and/or U.S. labels that would ever release a Don Fagerquist album on CD? Quote
JSngry Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 Really now, are there any legit and/or U.S. labels that would ever release a Don Fagerquist album on CD? http://www.magnebit.com/vsoprecords/vsop/vsop04.htm Quote
BruceH Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 I trade for their promo copies and then burn them for all my friends. Can I be your friend? Do you have Ring Girls? Well, I have bath tub ring. Quote
JSngry Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 That's a good start. Put some girls in it and we'll be cool. Quote
RDK Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 Really now, are there any legit and/or U.S. labels that would ever release a Don Fagerquist album on CD? http://www.magnebit.com/vsoprecords/vsop/vsop04.htm Okay, bad example! Quote
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