Claude Posted August 18, 2003 Report Posted August 18, 2003 (edited) It should be now. Puccini died in 1924, so his works were protected until 1994. When Belden's last grand project, a 1993 interpretation of the opera Turandot, was blocked by Giacomo Puccini's estate http://www.allaboutjazz.com/reviews/r0401_002.htm Edited August 18, 2003 by Claude Quote
Jazzmoose Posted August 18, 2003 Report Posted August 18, 2003 It should be now. Puccini died in 1924, so his works were protected until 1994. Of course, once Disney buys one more congressman, the rights in the U.S. will be extended until 2524... Quote
Claude Posted August 19, 2003 Report Posted August 19, 2003 BTW, this protection concerns Puccini's works. They are protected from the moment of creation until 70 years after the death of the author. It's the same in the US and Europe. Historically, the aim of the law was to allow two generations of the author's descendants to earn revenues from the works. The difference between US and european law that is often discussed here concerns neighbouring rights. In the US, the protection of a recording ends 70 years after it has been made (no reference to the death of an artist). This has been extended a few years ago. In Europe it has remained 50 years. So the Puccini estate had the right to prevent the release of the Belden CD in Europe too. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 19, 2003 Report Posted August 19, 2003 I asked around about this recording a while back... I think it was Tom Evered who told me that Puccini's estate has legal documents stating that one of Puccini's family members "finished" the opera... like added three notes or something. Therefore, the 70 year clock hasn't started yet. Is that screwed up or what? The thing is, the estate gets zip this way. Why did they do it? Why not just ask for some money? BTW, it is a great disc. It is a very nice interpretation of Turandot... it's not like they rapped to it. Later, Kevin Quote
bebopbob Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 I see that the DeFranco-Clark Mosaic set sold for over $200.00 on ebay recently - over $50.00 per CD! Too rich for my blood. Quote
Brad Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 (edited) I see that the DeFranco-Clark Mosaic set sold for over $200.00 on ebay recently - over $50.00 per CD! Too rich for my blood. I'd respectfully disagree. About 2 years ago I got this set and it was somewhat more than the above price and I've never regretted ever paying that price. It's worth every penny. One of the best Mosaics ever done. $200 is a very good price for this set. Edited August 20, 2003 by Brad Quote
bebopbob Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 Ah, if only I could go back 5-6 years ago. (I'm sure we all have stories of hard to find great music we passed up -- this would make for an interesting thread). Talk about a steal - I saw this set for a "whopping" $80.00 about 5-6 years ago in a used CD shop and passed it up thinking it was too expensive. Unfortunately I was a student at the time and thought a used CD for more than $6.00 to $8.00 was too much. I'd be glad to trade in my degree for the Defranco Mosaic set-I'm sure I'd be happier. Thanks to Brad for the current market perspective; next time I see the Buddy DeFranco set on CD, I won't think twice about exchaging two Ben Franklins for one Buddy DeFranco Mosaic set. Quote
Brad Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 Well, I'm not sure I can add any perspective on the market. I just think $200 is not that bad. It all depends on what can afford and where you are economically. Fortunately, when I got mine I could afford it. Today, I'd have to pass. Incidentally, I tried to do what you appear try to be doing: getting the individual cds that comprise the set. I love Sonny Clark and heard a couple of the songs from the set on the radio and said I have to get that. I found it next to impossible to do so and resigned myself to paying bucks for the set. Quote
Claude Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Another form of ebay craziness: ***eBay Power Outage*** Date: 08/20/03Â Time: 11:14:24 PM PDT At approximately 20:55 PDT, eBay experienced a power outage at their primary hosting facility. All site functions are currently unavailable. We are working to resolve this issue as quickly as possible, and we appreciate your patience. Regards, eBay ***eBay Power Outage: Resolved*** Date: 08/21/03Â Time: 12:29:44 AM PDT This evening, eBay experienced a power outage at our primary hosting facility. Due to this power failure, all site functions, including the Announcement Board, were unavailable from 20:55 until 23:45. eBay worked with its hosting vendor to restore the site as quickly as possible. In accordance with eBay's outage policy, since viewing and bidding were unavailable for more than 2 hours, eBay will be crediting all listing fees and has extended all listings scheduled to end between 20:55 PDT, 20 Aug and 02:00 PDT, 21 Aug for 24 hours. We will also be crediting the .10 fee for 10-day auctions for all listings that were active at 20:55 PDT. We thank you for your patience and apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. Regards, eBay http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml Quote
Hank Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 I'm the guy who got the De Franco Mosaic set for $200--actually $202.50. I've been looking for this one for several years, having passed on it back when it was available. For a long time, the prices for this on ebay being what they were, I'd pretty much given up on the idea of getting it. When it would show up for auction, it generally went for about $350-400, which was beyond my range, but I'd keep bidding on them within my limits. These days it does seem that the prices for OOP Mosaics aren't quite so inflated; they're becoming more affordable (well, relatively!!). Recently, I've seen De Franco sets sell for $265 and $255, which is well below the prices I used to see for this, so when I got mine for $200 it seemed pretty reasonable. Who knows, the prices for this may continue to drop, particularly since these recordings are beginning to see reissue by such cheapo companies as Past Perfect. How long will it be before Proper gives it the "Proper" treatment? Quote
brownie Posted August 24, 2003 Report Posted August 24, 2003 Any Blue Note LP fans out there? This seems to include some interesting items. Blue Notes Ebay auction Quote
sidewinder Posted August 24, 2003 Report Posted August 24, 2003 Wow!! - instant 'desert island' set ("Blacks and Blues" excepted) ... Quote
wolff Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 (edited) I wish he would have listed the M- pieces seperatly. I'd gladly pay $400 if they were all M-/VG++ , but a large percentage look trashed. He also lists covers as mint when they have owners name in large magic marker on back. I will PASS on this stuff. Edited August 25, 2003 by wolff Quote
jacknife Posted August 25, 2003 Author Report Posted August 25, 2003 For the price this guy paid, he could have gotten 2 of them from Dusty Groove! Oh Baby! Quote
Man with the Golden Arm Posted August 25, 2003 Report Posted August 25, 2003 ...AND they paid seconds after the auction ended. bring on that Mosaic Select and I'll still have down payment left-overs for the Connoisseurs! WEE HOO Baby! Quote
wolff Posted September 1, 2003 Report Posted September 1, 2003 I've dealt with this seller off and on for years. If he doesn't have the nicest stuff around, I don't know who does. If you ever want to hear what a truly mint BN sounds like, fork out the $$$$ to this guy. He gets top dollar, but you will not be disappointed. I've seen catologs of his that sold for $100k total. We used to mail in our bids. Prices are nuts, but it is very nice to pull out mint 40 year old LP's. Thick, glossy covers with beautiful photo/graphics and a thick, often times dead quite vinyl. How much?? Quote
Tom in RI Posted September 4, 2003 Report Posted September 4, 2003 Some Half.com craziness: http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid...=1876&meta_id=2 or does this disc really command such a premium? Quote
robviti Posted September 4, 2003 Report Posted September 4, 2003 does this disc really command such a premium? not when you consider the fact that you can either order it directly from candid or buy the japanese reissue online for much less. Quote
Brad Posted September 4, 2003 Report Posted September 4, 2003 Check out this Jazz Factory (Definitive Disconforme) rip off of the RVG: Horace Silver Trio. Quote
jacknife Posted September 6, 2003 Author Report Posted September 6, 2003 Still 3 days left on this one, get your bids in now! Another Workout Quote
Brad Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) This has to be another example of ebay zaniness: $59 for a JRVG of Ike Quebec's It Might as Well Be Spring. Edited September 10, 2003 by Brad Quote
Peter Johnson Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 Still 3 days left on this one, get your bids in now! Another Workout Damn!!! Okay, does anyone here want to buy my copy of Another Workout for $80.00? I'll even toss in free shipping (media mail, natch)! Quote
BFrank Posted September 27, 2003 Report Posted September 27, 2003 Somehow this doesn't seem right. Basically only one bidder and it's already up to $279.95?? What's up with that? Lee Morgan Mosaic - ebay Quote
Jazzmoose Posted September 27, 2003 Report Posted September 27, 2003 He finally bid high enough to meet the reserve price. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted September 27, 2003 Report Posted September 27, 2003 The next question, of course, is why am I not at eBay listing my Lee Morgan box....aw, I just can't do it. No wonder I'm broke all the time! Quote
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