BERIGAN Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 (edited) Mountaineer, Ex-Nazi Heinrich Harrer Dies Staff and agencies 07 January, 2006 By WILLIAM J. KOLE, 2 hours, 27 minutes ago VIENNA, Austria - Heinrich Harrer, an Austrian mountaineer and former Nazi who became a friend and tutor of the young Dalai Lama, died Saturday. He was 93. Actor Brad Pitt played Harrer in the film "Seven Years in Tibet," which was based on Harrer‘s 1953 memoir of his time in the Himalayan nation. At least nine mountaineers had died trying to scale the sheer wall, long considered Europe‘s greatest mountaineering challenge. Dozens have perished in subsequent attempts. His ascent earned him fame and a handshake from Adolf Hitler: Harrer had joined the Nazi party when Germany took control of Austria in 1938. He also joined the SS, the party‘s police wing associated with atrocities during World War II. Harrer and a colleague were arrested by British troops in India at the end of that expedition as war broke out in September 1939. Harrer taught the Dalai Lama mathematics, English and sports, and became his adviser and friend. Harrer‘s subsequent book about the experience, "Seven Years in Tibet," was translated into 48 languages. His adventures became known to millions worldwide in the 1997 film starring Pitt. It was only a few months before the movie‘s release that his Nazi past caught up with him. While he had said he joined the Nazi party to further his teaching and mountaineering careers, Harrer did not explain why he joined the SA when Nazis still were persecuted in Austria. Harrer was interned at the start of the war and never linked to any Nazi atrocities. Simon Wiesenthal, the famed Nazi hunter who died last year, said Harrer was not involved in politics and was innocent of wrongdoing. A publicity-shy man who divided his time between Austria and Liechtenstein, Harrer told the Austria Press Agency in June 1997 that he had a "clear conscience." He said, however, that "from today‘s view, the former party and SS membership is an extremely unpleasant thing." He also repudiated his Nazi membership as a "stupid mistake" and an "ideological error." Harrer was decorated with numerous high awards and honors during his career, including Austria‘s Golden Humboldt medal and the "Light of Truth" award bestowed by Tibet‘s government-in-exile in India. http://www.heraldnewsdaily.com/stories/news-00121549.html Edited January 8, 2006 by BERIGAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 I am SHOCKED, do you hear me, Conrad? SHOCKED and OUTRAGED that you would put this in anything but the covert "political" forum! Think of Dan's heart--have you no compassion? If he sees this, he will have a hissy fit, for sure--or is the mention of Adolph Hitler more acceptable than that of George W. Bush? For the sake of decency and a certain poster's health, will someone in power please move this thread out of the way before it is detected by the Florida sensor (censor?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted January 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Chris, go back to sleep, and try getting up on the other side of your bed! And if Jim wants to move it, that's fine with me! It can still be read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 I am SHOCKED, do you hear me, Conrad? SHOCKED and OUTRAGED that you would put this in anything but the covert "political" forum! Think of Dan's heart--have you no compassion? If he sees this, he will have a hissy fit, for sure--or is the mention of Adolph Hitler more acceptable than that of George W. Bush? For the sake of decency and a certain poster's health, will someone in power please move this thread out of the way before it is detected by the Florida sensor (censor?) You're a fool, Albertson. This is an obit about an historical figure. Not a dumb-ass Frank Rich column about gays, the religious right, and the culture war. And I find it hysterical that you talk about hissy fits when it was YOU who announced your "departure" from this board after that very thread WAS moved. Have you seriously still not perceived the reason? Well, as I said, you ARE a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Thank you, Dan. If that's what a fool is, I'm glad to be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Chris is absolutely right - this is political - unless Jim wants to create a special Berigan/Nazi forum - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Ask Dan if he's seen Bareback Mountain yet. It sends him into an amazing rage and a frenzy of hostile pm sending. Go ahead, press his buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted January 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Chris is absolutely right - this is political - unless Jim wants to create a special Berigan/Nazi forum - Well, as long as Jim spells Berigan correctly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Ahhh, Austria.....what a fine place. Love all those nicely decorated pastry & sweet shops that are wall-to-wall in Vienna (not to mention other european cities). The US really is pathetic on that front. Even NYC bites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 actually, Berigan, I believe I DID spell it correctly - check your quote - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neveronfriday Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 This is political? I think some people on this board have one or more screws loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonm Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 This is political? I think some people on this board have one or more screws loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Indeed. If Harrer was a diehard Nazi sympathisant, he would have been taken apart by critical German journalists, just like Leni Riefenstahl, Heinz Rühmann, or Luis Trenker. I will watch out for critical obituaries and keep you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 (edited) This is political? I think some people on this board have one or more screws loose. Or just have it in for me because, like a former smoker who's now militantly anti-smoking, I am a reformed Political Forum junkie. Having seen how much better the board is without that garbage, I do my best to insure it doesn't infect the rest of the board. Albertson is no doubt sick of preaching to the choir and continuously starts topics in the Miscellaneous Forum which are obviously political in nature and I keep calling him on it. It even led him to "leave" the board but that obviously didn't take and now that a topic is posted without the slightlest connection to politics except the historical fact that the man had joined the Nazi party gives Chris leave to post as a fool does. Edited January 8, 2006 by Dan Gould Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 This is political? I think some people on this board have one or more screws loose. Or just have it in for me because, like a former smoker who's now militantly anti-smoking, I am a reformed Political Forum junkie. Having seen how much better the board is without that garbage, I do my best to insure it doesn't infect the rest of the board. Albertson is no doubt sick of preaching to the choir and continuously starts topics in the Miscellaneous Forum which are obviously political in nature and I keep calling him on it. It even led him to "leave" the board but that obviously didn't take and now that a topic is posted without the slightlest connection to politics except the historical fact that the man had joined the Nazi party gives Chris leave to post as a fool does. How do you know he "left", if it was in the politix forum and you "don't" look at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neveronfriday Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Try the search function. It can do amazing things (if you know how it works). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Try the search function. It can do amazing things (if you know how it works). I don't need the search function to find the political forum. I re-read the beginings of the thread and it still looks like the thread was moved and then Chris stopped posting for a few days. How does Dan know he left? Does he post with his broadband connection and then watch the political forum with a dial up connection on another machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neveronfriday Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Try the search function. It can do amazing things (if you know how it works). I don't need the search function to find the political forum. I re-read the beginings of the thread and it still looks like the thread was moved and then Chris stopped posting for a few days. How does Dan know he left? Does he post with his broadband connection and then watch the political forum with a dial up connection on another machine? What I meant was that you can use the search function to find out who posted what & when. That way you can see who left for how long and when he/she started posting again. Simple, really.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Try the search function. It can do amazing things (if you know how it works). I don't need the search function to find the political forum. I re-read the beginings of the thread and it still looks like the thread was moved and then Chris stopped posting for a few days. How does Dan know he left? Does he post with his broadband connection and then watch the political forum with a dial up connection on another machine? What I meant was that you can use the search function to find out who posted what & when. That way you can see who left for how long and when he/she started posting again. Simple, really.. Even simpler is looking at the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 "How do you know he 'left', if it was in the politix forum and you "don't" look at it?" Good question 7/4 Gould: "Albertson is no doubt sick of preaching to the choir and continuously starts topics in the Miscellaneous Forum which are obviously political in nature and I keep calling him on it." Not really, Dan. For one thing, it is impossible to preach to the choir on something as far-reaching as the internet. Apart from that, I sense some kind of paranoia here--the fact is that I do not "continuously" start political topics outside of the dreaded political forum, and you flatter yourself if you think my two alleged exceptions were for your benefit. Am I the only one here who sees how silly this mole hill mountain is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Try the search function. It can do amazing things (if you know how it works). I don't need the search function to find the political forum. I re-read the beginings of the thread and it still looks like the thread was moved and then Chris stopped posting for a few days. How does Dan know he left? Does he post with his broadband connection and then watch the political forum with a dial up connection on another machine? http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...topic=21591&hl= Read post 7. Hell, you're such a dumb fuck, you even posted in the very same thread. But what can you expect from a "musician" whose most complimentary press is, "It's fundamentally static, but I can listen to literally hours of the stuff. Its the best thing since Prozac." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Try the search function. It can do amazing things (if you know how it works). I don't need the search function to find the political forum. I re-read the beginings of the thread and it still looks like the thread was moved and then Chris stopped posting for a few days. How does Dan know he left? Does he post with his broadband connection and then watch the political forum with a dial up connection on another machine? http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...topic=21591&hl= Read post 7. Hell, you're such a dumb fuck, you even posted in the very same thread. We're talking about the Dan on Bareback Mountain thread. You find this exciting? No? Yes? But what can you expect from a "musician" whose most complimentary press is, "It's fundamentally static, but I can listen to literally hours of the stuff. Its the best thing since Prozac." Great press? I'm not a Jazz musican Dan. I'm a composer. Classical music Dan? Where's your's Village Voice or L.A. Times review? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Read post 7. Hell, you're such a dumb fuck, you even posted in the very same thread. But what can you expect from a "musician" whose most complimentary press is, "It's fundamentally static, but I can listen to literally hours of the stuff. Its the best thing since Prozac." There's the name calling Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I think ANY thread with "Nazi" of "Ex-Nazi" in the title is by definition a "political" topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Does this mean I can't make fun of Angry Dan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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