Chuck Nessa Posted July 17, 2003 Report Posted July 17, 2003 DG is offering Elmo Hope's "Sounds from Rikers Island" for $12.99. The down side is the label - Fresh Sounds. But this recording is a spectacular mess. Anyone remotely interested in Hope, John Gilmore or Philly Joe must have this recording. As I said it is a mess, but these guys play their asses off! Music over all else must be my motto. Any bets when the Uptown Eager material hits the streets on one of their labels, or should we start a pool on the Diz/Bird concert. Anyway, heads up on the Hope. Quote
brownie Posted July 17, 2003 Report Posted July 17, 2003 Any bets when the Uptown Eager material hits the streets on one of their labels, or should we start a pool on the Diz/Bird concert. Not taking any bet on this. But I'll bet they will not have the Uptown booklets along! Quote
Clunky Posted July 17, 2003 Report Posted July 17, 2003 surely not everything from Fresh sounds is illegitimate ?? Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 17, 2003 Author Report Posted July 17, 2003 surely not everything from Fresh sounds is illegitimate ?? Just enough to make my blood boil. Quote
JohnS Posted July 17, 2003 Report Posted July 17, 2003 Just got the Fresh Sounds Hope today, 8.80 Euros from FS. I'd not heard this before, only seeing the Japanese vinyl years ago so I can't say if the cd sound is improved but Elmo's on fine form. It's untidy in spots and a couple of the horn solos could best be termed enthusiastic. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 17, 2003 Author Report Posted July 17, 2003 The interplay between Elmo and PJJ (on Tunisia especially) is wonderful. Quote
DrJ Posted July 20, 2003 Report Posted July 20, 2003 There was a recent thread with some discussion on Rikers: Elmo Hope thread A lot of stuff pieced together from heresay and liners...Chuck, are you in the know about what actually went down in terms of running the session, whether Hope/the others were exploited by Frey, etc? Quote
JSngry Posted July 20, 2003 Report Posted July 20, 2003 Well, I ordered it from da'Groove, and it's already sold out. The bastards! Quote
.:.impossible Posted July 20, 2003 Report Posted July 20, 2003 This is a cool session. I somehow missed the previous Elmo Hope thread. I received a CDR copy of this disc sometime last year through a trade. My initial interest was spurred by the fact that Walt Dickerson and Elmo Hope were leading a rhythm section with Gilmore on tenor. The fact that Dickerson never appeared as a sideman made this quite a discovery for me. I guess it is common knowledge that Dickerson is not a part of this band. Regardless, the band gets along pretty well. Two trio pieces, two pieces featuring two separate vocalists, and a three-horn lineup give this program a little added variety. Matter of fact, I believe there is one Gilmore feature. Too bad Walt didn't sit in for just one! There are many highlights on this recording, but it isn't a "tight" group. Three Silver Quarters is wonderful. What sort of connection, if any, do you think Elmo Hope had with Sun Ra? Employing two Arkestra members on this date (Gilmore and Boykins) along with a mutual friend in Walt Dickerson, I wonder if these two ever got together? Quote
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