Guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Does anyone know this record? I've not had a chance to hear it, but I have a friend who plays the pocket trumpet and was thinking about picking it up for him as a secular, non-specific holiday present. If the tone is bad he may not like it. I know that some of the older pocket trumpets sounded pretty bad. I've listenned to the clips, but there is always alto playing with him on the heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Troy- As far as trumpt records go, "Fuego" is rated higher, in my opinion, than "Kind of Blue". it could very well be byrd's best lp as well. jackie is all over it too, as an added bonus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 (edited) Technically, there's nothing wrong with Byrd's playing on 'Fuego', at least not in my opinion. Musically, it's neither much better nor worse than his other Blue Notes of the day; it doesn't stand out from his late 50s output in any way. His tone was never the fattest among trumpeters, and it could sound somewhat uncertain from time to time. He sounds OK here, though, but plays it rather safe. Edit: As usual, just my very personal opinion of the date. (added after reading the praise in the previous post. I guess I'm just not a great Byrd fan, though I have most of his Blue Note albums which I enjoy for what they are; mostly solid and not too adventurous hard bop dates) Edited December 12, 2005 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Have not listened in a while but probably my favorite Byrd BN. Good rhythm section, Jackie Mac near the top of his game and top of game for Rudy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsound Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I got it years ago. I don't have the recent reissue. I always thought it was an underrated session. Sometimes I think that DByrd sounds ordinary (not up to the standards of some of the other great trumpet players of the era. But sometimes he sounds terrific) Anyhow I would recommend it also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Have to agree with everything that's been said. Byrd was all over this record--it's really an "alive" session to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Another great classic-era Blue Note album, one of many, no more, no less. 'Free Form' is my favorite Byrd, especially the second side with 'French Spice' and the title track. He recorded some great albums then (although I've always thought he was particularly weak at NAMING his tunes!). I agree, he was not the most technically dazzling trumpeter, but great feeling. If your friend is a trumpet player and you are really looking for something with amazing trumpet technique as well as excellent music, get a Freddie Hubbard CD from that era or a little later instead. Something like 'Ugetsu' by Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers shows Hubbard to great advantage. His solo on the title track of that album turned me onto him for a lifetime. His work on "Aries" on 'The Body and the Soul' is also incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 This was one of the first Blue Note LPs I purchased as a teenager and I immediately fell in love with the catchy tunes and soulful stylings. Jackie Mc blends in quite nicely against Byrd on this one. I too would have to praise it as my fav Byrd Blue note issue. While it may not be ground breaking it's hard not to dig it. Easily digestable funky hard bop. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that in my book. Hard to believe almost anyone wouldn't love this album. Just don't try to read anything into it. Listen and enjoy it for what it is.............. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Something like 'Ugetsu' by Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers shows Hubbard to great advantage. Ugestsu is a favorite and I know he has a well worn copy of that one already. What drew my to this DByrd session is that he recorded it on pocket trumpet. My friend has several horns, but the one he likes the most happens to be a pocket trumpet. Sounds like a good round of endorsements and a safe bet. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 see troy, people who really think they are mr. joe cool when it comes to jazz, they turn their nose down on Byrd, and are overely critical of his fine jazz accomplishments. Trust this Mr. Nessa fellow and myself on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Donald Byrd was at his creative best at the time and 'Fuego' is one of the best album he recorded then. Still have the mono original vinyl and purchased the RVG release in stereo when it came out recently. Pretty good but still prefer the mono sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 amen to that Mr. Brownie. i am sad to admit i have never expierenced the joys of "Fuego Mono". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Oh, and do you know which other session byrd used the pocket tpt on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Unless proved wrong, this was Donald Byrd's only recorded appearance on pocket trumpet. Heard him several times when he played in Paris (with the quintet that included Bobby Jaspar) just before he recorded 'Fuego' and cannot recall having seen him with that trumpet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybleaden Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Go with it and get a copy if I were you. I have had it for more years than I care to remember and love it. Treat yourself to a copy whilst you are buying one for a friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I guess I'm now also known as mr. Joe Cool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) I went to Borders at lunch with a 30% off coupon and a gleam in my eye and someone had bought the copy that was there the last time I was in. Come to think of it, Peter Johnson works in that building. Damn, I hate the prospect of paying retail for anything. I'm going to be in Chicago next week and have blocked off 2 hours for browsing the Jazz Record Mart. I'll look for a copy on CD for my friend and one on vinyl for me. Thanks for the endorsements. Troy Edited December 14, 2005 by TroyK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 i keep hearing about this JAZZ RECORD MART: is it like ameoba records in san francisco, but just for jazz? is that perception off? whats this place like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) Twere'nt me, my man...I'll stick with my 47 W. 63rd mono version! Edited December 15, 2005 by Peter Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 i keep hearing about this JAZZ RECORD MART: is it like ameoba records in san francisco, but just for jazz? is that perception off? whats this place like? Let me respond to that next week. I haven't been there in years and they've moved locations, but last time I was there is was this giant room full of great finds if you were willing to put the time in spelunking. They've moved and it's possible they've changed or that my memory is overglorifing it. I'll respond when I get back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I drop by the JRM about once a week, and you're not overglorifying it. Maybe there's a store somewhere else in the world today that's its equal or superior, but if so I'd be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I guess I'm now also known as mr. Joe Cool... I totally agree with your earlier comment (post #3). I guess I'm not a great Byrd fan either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I guess I'm now also known as mr. Joe Cool... I totally agree with your earlier comment (post #3). I guess I'm not a great Byrd fan either... Oi, but you're still not half as cool, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I guess I'm now also known as mr. Joe Cool... I totally agree with your earlier comment (post #3). I guess I'm not a great Byrd fan either... Oi, but you're still not half as cool, man! I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Twere'nt me, my man...I'll stick with my 47 W. 63rd mono version! Amen ! The definitive issue.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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