Chuck Nessa Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 BTW Chuck: Is the Garner material as good as the critics say? And is it very different from his later work? ← The Garner performances are as you might expect if you are familiar with his style of the period. He plays well, but Don Byas and Buck Clayton are at least as important to the concert. Sunenblick makes a few errors in his notes. He says only one disc is missing but there is no recording of the Tony Scott piece or any of the Pearl Bailey material. There is also (at least) one Garner trio disc missing and many other performances are missing parts. It would have been difficult to add material even if the Garner estate gave permission. It is a miracle all the Diz/Bird stuff survived. Let us count our blessings, not regret the losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Chuck, Just curious, how's it selling? I know the membership here is excited (and hopefully buying from you) just wondered how others are taking to it. My dozen or so friends that I made CDRs for are loving it as much as me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 (edited) just kidding! Couldn't have asked for a better page break. Chuck, how red did your ears get before you advanced the page? Edited July 1, 2005 by scottb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Oh, man...that was good. Get this hook outta my mouth, Scott! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer9600 Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 I've had this for a day and lsitened to it several times and I am absolutely stunned not only at how good they were that night but at the quality of the remastering. I know people said it was good and I have a lot of material Ted Kendall worked on but this blew me away. I was expecting something better than the usual quality of NY radio broadcasts of Parker, Davis, etc., that are available on various labels but this is just unbelievable. My thanks to everyone who worked to make this material available. Its really a gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 It is a miracle all the Diz/Bird stuff survived. Let us count our blessings, not regret the losses. ← I'm not a religious man, but A-FRICKIN'-MEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Truly amazing!!! Just got this today, listened once and must listen a few more times. It's wild hearing Bird & Diz stretch out on these songs in their prime, so soon after the original recordings. The creativity and freshness is right there. Better than just about any live recording by Bird, even my favorite Birdland tracks, and the sound is better than I imagined, better than 1950's live recordings. It almost doesn't sound real it's so clear. This is the kind of stuff that got me into jazz in the first place, and it's the perfect thing to stir up anyone's jazz juice. Pure energy and excitement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 For the past 2 or 3 days, WKCR's Bird Flight has been opening each show with a track from the uptown cd and identifying the cd by name and label. Yesterday they played BEBOP and today was NIGHT IN TUNISIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 now if only I can find that Buddy Bolden cylinder at the next yard sale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 . . . but I'm not having a yard sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 For the past 2 or 3 days, WKCR's Bird Flight has been opening each show with a track from the uptown cd and identifying the cd by name and label. Yesterday they played BEBOP and today was NIGHT IN TUNISIA. ← On the day I listened, Phil was really talking it up, giving Uptown's address, the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 You mean "Whitehall, Michigan"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 I just heard it for the first time (and 2nd and 3rd. I kept it going.) Fantastic! The sound is so good that it almost feels like being there. This is one of the great historical and musical documents of jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Just beautiful... everybody is at their best. Bird gets better and better as he warms up. His short solo on *Hot House* has that “full grown from the head of Zeus” quality Jimmy Raney talks about in Reisner’s book… unbelievable! Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Somebody really needs to write this CD up--the NY Times, for instance, and certainly the jazz media. Bracket it with the Monk/Coltrane and you've got two major finds coming out within months of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Somebody really needs to write this CD up--the NY Times, for instance, and certainly the jazz media. Bracket it with the Monk/Coltrane and you've got two major finds coming out within months of each other. ← It seems to have spawned an interview with Bob Sunenblick scheduled to appear in the July 31 issue. We await. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Somebody really needs to write this CD up--the NY Times, for instance, and certainly the jazz media. Bracket it with the Monk/Coltrane and you've got two major finds coming out within months of each other. ← It seems to have spawned an interview with Bob Sunenblick scheduled to appear in the July 31 issue. We await. ← Do you mean in the NYT magazine or else where in the paper that day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 You mean "Whitehall, Michigan"? ← Yeah, the whole address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Somebody really needs to write this CD up--the NY Times, for instance, and certainly the jazz media. Bracket it with the Monk/Coltrane and you've got two major finds coming out within months of each other. ← It seems to have spawned an interview with Bob Sunenblick scheduled to appear in the July 31 issue. We await. ← Do you mean in the NYT magazine or else where in the paper that day? ← I don't have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Do you mean in the NYT magazine or else where in the paper that day? ← I don't have a clue. ← The only thing in the Sunday Times that Chuck cares about is the crossword puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Chuck, that's great news! I'd bet on the Arts section rather than the magazine... great exposure for the CD. I'll be sure to pick up a copy that Sunday (esp. now that I have weekends off, for the first time in my adult working life... I fully intend to sit around drinking coffee, listening to jazz, perusing books and the paper, and doing my blessed American-male best to avoid house or yard work of any kind). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Just got my copy today... am just about to unwrap it.... Oh, the anticipation!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Well, I've just played it through, twice in a row, and I have to say... WOW!!! Awesome! I knew it was going to be good and it certainly lives up to all expectations; the recording, the playing, the package... all first class! The sense of excitement amongst players and audience is palpable; Parker is Parker. Beautiful. Dizzy is mercurial. Al Haig ain't no slouch! Great drumming from Max & Big Sid. The feeling between these guys is electric. Can you imagine actually hearing this in 1945??! History being made. I can't believe I'm actually listening to this, 60 years later! Kudos to everyone involved (including our own Mr. Nessa, of course!). This one's going to get a lot of play! The Monk/ Trane set has a tough act to beat! Might put it on again, right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 The article on this historic release is out in The New York Times today. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/31/arts/music/31kapl.html? BIRD LIVES! THE BIRTH OF BEBOP, CAPTURED ON DISC By FRED KAPLAN It's an unlikely story, but the most stunning jazz discovery in a decade - the Rosetta Stone of bebop - was unearthed at an Elks Lodge in Chelmsford, Mass. The trove consisted of seven 12-inch acetate discs, on which was recorded a 40-minute concert by Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker at Town Hall in New York on June 22, 1945. That date is significant. The two musicians - Diz and Bird, as the world would soon know them - were still fairly obscure. (Most of the audience had probably come to hear other musicians on the bill, especially the tenor saxophonist Coleman Hawkins, who didn't show up.) The first Gillespie-Parker record had been in stores for only a few weeks. The second, produced on May 11, hadn't yet been released. In short, these discs vividly transport us to the birth of modern jazz. In those days of the 78 r.p.m. single, studio sessions were limited to about three minutes per song, solos to 15 or 20 seconds. At the Town Hall concert, the musicians were free to play the tunes - "Bebop," "Groovin' High," "Hot House," "A Night in Tunisia" and "Salt Peanuts," all jazz anthems by the end of that year but at the time still unknown - for twice as long, and at a furious tempo. Solos went on for two minutes or more, and they're blazing - Diz scaling heights on trumpet, Bird hitting speeds on alto sax, that no one had heard before. The studio recordings, great as they are, sound mellow, even quaint, by comparison. Now, 60 years after the concert, the small jazz label Uptown Records has sonically restored the acetates and transferred them to a CD titled simply "Dizzy Gillespie-Charlie Parker: Town Hall, New York City, June 22, 1945." The acetates were brought to light by Uptown's proprietor, Dr. Robert E. Sunenblick, an internal physician who splits his practice between Montreal and Plattsburgh, N.Y. - and splits his life between seeing patients in the afternoons and running a one-man record company in the mornings and at night. Dr. Sunenblick, 56, has long been a denizen of the record-collecting subculture, one of the bleary-eyed men who spend weekends at vinyl expos, combing through stacks of LP's, 45's, 78's and the occasional tape or acetate, yearning for out-of-print rarities or - the ultimate dream - long-lost treasures. "They've got that psycho-killer look," he said with a laugh. "I know it well; I get it myself sometimes." In the early 1980's, while working in Manhattan for an emergency medical service, Dr. Sunenblick started the Uptown label and began producing new albums, often of once-prominent jazz musicians who had unjustly fallen into shadows. After a divorce, he moved to Montreal and, removed from the live music scene, began to explore the murky world of old, forgotten recordings. Newspapers were reporting that someone had taken a home movie - and still had the reel - of the legendary moment in the 1932 World Series when Babe Ruth pointed to center field, then slugged the next pitch over the wall. "It fascinated me that stuff like that exists," Dr. Sunenblick recalled in a phone interview. "I got to thinking, what else exists in somebody's closet?" He started looking. In the early 90's, he traveled to Newton, Mass., to buy a record collection from a former dealer. In the course of chatting, the seller told him about a friend who had tape-recorded radio broadcasts of jazz concerts in the 40's and 50's. Dr. Sunenblick went to see the friend. One of his tapes was of a concert in Boston in 1954 by the West Coast trumpeter Chet Baker, his first East Coast appearance. It became the first album in Uptown's Flashback Series. Another, from the same batch of tapes, was a Boston concert by Charlie Parker in 1952. The Parker tape posed a puzzle. The reel was undated. So Dr. Sunenblick went to the Boston Public Library and looked up microfiche of old newspapers, searching for an advertisement for a Parker concert. He found one in the long-defunct Boston Daily Record. The concert's date, he could authenticate, was Dec. 14, 1952. Meanwhile, a fellow record collector in Cleveland told him about a friend who had a tape of a 1958 Coleman Hawkins performance at a high school dance in Jamestown, N.Y. The dance took place in a ballroom one floor below a radio station. Someone at the station had covertly wired a microphone through the ceiling and recorded the date. The friend, an avid Hawkins collector, had obtained the tape. A disc jockey in Pittsburgh, another acquaintance from the used-records circuit, told him about a trumpeter named Danny Conn, who had played in a local nightclub with Dodo Marmarosa - a brilliant pianist who in the 1940's had accompanied every jazz giant who came to Los Angeles. After suffering a mental breakdown, Marmarosa returned to Pittsburgh, his hometown, and resumed playing. Mr. Conn made tapes of their gigs. Dr. Sunenblick bought them, had them restored, obtained the rights and released them. AND on and on the discoveries went. Which leads to a Saturday morning in the fall of 2000, when Dr. Sunenblick, while visiting his daughter in Boston, drove to a record show at the Elks Lodge in nearby Chelmsford. He struck up a conversation with a "picker," a special breed of collector who tracks down extremely rare records and sells them quickly for cash only. A few weeks later, the picker, who lived in Milton, Mass., called him, said he'd found a very unusual acetate, and offered to play it over the phone. The first sound on the record was the voice of Sidney Torin, a popular New York jazz D.J. in the 40's better known as Symphony Sid, introducing a concert by the Dizzy Gillespie Quintet, featuring Charlie Parker, with Max Roach on drums, Al Haig on piano and Curley Russell on bass. Dr. Sunenblick knew that no live recordings of this quintet had ever been found - or even been rumored to exist. The disc was the collector's dream, a treasure-map fragment of a secret history. The picker, who to this day insists on anonymity ("All these guys worry about copyrights and tax collectors," Dr. Sunenblick said), told him he'd found the acetate at an antique store just outside Stamford, Conn. Dr. Sunenblick, who figured it had to be the first of a multidisc set, begged him to go back to the store and look for the others. He found six more. They turned out to contain the rest of the concert. More than that, they sounded pretty good - cleaner and more balanced than many studio sessions of the day - and they were complete; there were no gaps or dropouts. It was clearly a professional job, engineered backstage at Town Hall on two side-by-side disc-cutting machines. Who recorded it? Why didn't he pass the discs around, try to sell them, or even tell anybody about them? How did they end up in Connecticut? Their sudden appearance, out of the blue, is a major find, but it stirs deeper mysteries. Parker and Gillespie also played at Town Hall a month earlier, on May 16, 1945. We know this because there are photos from that concert (one of them is on the Uptown CD's cover). Are there acetates, too? And if so, in what attic or junk shop have they been lurking the past half-century? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Here are a couple of photos that accompany the above NYT article: Dizzy Gillespie, far left, in concert at Town Hall in 1945 with Charlie Parker, far right. Dizzy Gillespie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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