Dan Gould Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Stumbled across a Crown LP, Ray Charles Meets Jimmy Witherspoon and went, HUH? Anyone familiar with this one? How the heck did Ray Charles record with 'Spoon for Crown? And one more stupid question: should I get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 You should buy it but understand they don't necessarily perform together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 With a Crown record the title might be deliberately misleading. I bet it's separate tracks bu each artitst - not RC and Spoon together. I have a Spoon lp on Crown and I bet the RC tracks are originally from the Swingtime catalogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 With a Crown record the title might be deliberately misleading. I bet it's separate tracks bu each artitst - not RC and Spoon together. I have a Spoon lp on Crown and I bet the RC tracks are originally from the Swingtime catalogue. Exactly what I fear. I do have track titles but no additional info: Walkin and Talkin I'm Wondering and Wondering Done Found Out Sweet Lovin Baby Evil Woman I Found My Baby There Good MOney Blues Having a Ball Better Luck Next Time That's Why I'm Feeling Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Yeah.. that's the score. The Spoon Crown lp has: I Done Found Out Sweet Lovin' Baby Fickle Woman On RC Swingtime: Let's Have A Ball I'm Wondering And Wondering Yeah - those are the tracks where the titles are the same or close. The rest are probable from the same sets, but retitled. The Spoon lp is the more obscure, but it available on some cd that came out a couple of years ago. The RC stuff was on so many $1.98 lps with so many titles it would make your head spin. I doubt anyone has an accurrate count of how often that stuff was issued on bargain bin lps in the 60s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Thanks, Harold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I was similarly ripped off by a cd that claims to be a Duke Ellington disc, but Ellington doesn't perform on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 The funny thing is that sometimes the music is good anyway. Ya never know, ya know ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't false advertisement. If I buy a record that claims Charles Meets 'Spoon, yet they don't actually "meet" in the context of playing together, I'm not going to be a happy camper. The disc I have says Ellington on the spine, yet he's nowhere to be found in the liner notes. I'm too irritated to enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Right..... but Forewarned is forearmed. Knowing the vicissitudes of these "budget" labels, and willingness to "take a shot" for some small change made it a lot fun to go through the bargain bins and drugstore racks and come up with something you could take a shot on. Now paying a lot for these things changes the whole picture. Then it's a rip-off from the jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 well, their names DO meet on the cover - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Is the Spoon stuff the live thing w/Sonny Criss from the late 40s/early 50s? Seems like that's the de facto Crown Spoon material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Is the Spoon stuff the live thing w/Sonny Criss from the late 40s/early 50s? Seems like that's the de facto Crown Spoon material. Is that the live "Ain't Nobody's Busines" with the hip alto ? I didn't know it was Sonny Criss. There's no credits on the lp. Some of the lp is live, some studio dates. It's good Spoon and the first I ever bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 IIRC Crown almost always reissued material from other labels in the weirdest combinations, retitled more often than not, and the sound quality is worse than other issues. I experienced that with some Tjader tracks on Crown LPs. The other stuf was weird retitlings, too. These were sold cheap, AFAIK. The Ray Charles material is best on the Ebony box available from Fresh Sound - this material was re-compiled, re-edited etc. ad nauseam. Don't know about the Witherspoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Actually the best sounding versions of the Charles material I have heard is on the Nighttrain label (legitimate owners of the material, really careful remastering). I sold my Fresh Sounds box when I heard that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) Actually the best sounding versions of the Charles material I have heard is on the Nighttrain label (legitimate owners of the material, really careful remastering). I sold my Fresh Sounds box when I heard that! Where can I get that? Any links? Well, here is the AMG entry, but how's the liner notes (those in the Ebony box were exhaustive) and where can I get this? Edited December 9, 2005 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Here 'tis, and I can get it from amazon matketplace for less than 14 EURO for the double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Liner notes are okay. Not exhaustive. But sufficient. (I'm less and less a fan of liner notes. Only about a half dozen a year are really great. Last great set of liners I read was Chris's for the Basie Mosaic set.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Actually the best sounding versions of the Charles material I have heard is on the Nighttrain label (legitimate owners of the material, really careful remastering). I sold my Fresh Sounds box when I heard that! Thanks Lon - I've been wondering about replacing all my old Ray Swingtime/Downbeat LPs. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 IIRC Crown almost always reissued material from other labels in the weirdest combinations, retitled more often than not, and the sound quality is worse than other issues... I believe there were some original recordings done for Crown, some of which are very good. These include Milk Raskin's "Kapu" and the Latin Jazz All Star's "Jazz Heat Bongo Beat," a true beatnik/bongo classic. But, yes, any album on Crown by a name artist is dodgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 But, yes, any album on Crown by a name artist is dodgy. How about the two SMOKING Coleman Hawkins albums on Crown? They are not reissues, but original sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Of course Charles and Witherspoon did meet, just not on that album. I actually remember this release--this sort of thing was not at all uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 How about the two SMOKING Coleman Hawkins albums on Crown? They are not reissues, but original sessions. I will defer to your expertise on that one. There are other cases, though, where they would issue an album such as: "CHARLIE PARKER! ...and Shep's Banjo Boys." It would include 2 Charlie Parker tunes recorded as demos 10 years earlier. And 8 tunes by Shep's Banjo Boys. BTW, for all you Charlie Parker completists, this a FICTIONAL EXAMPLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 But, yes, any album on Crown by a name artist is dodgy. How about the two SMOKING Coleman Hawkins albums on Crown? They are not reissues, but original sessions. There are Hawk albums on Crown that are "SMOKING"? Details, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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