Nate Dorward Posted October 4, 2004 Report Posted October 4, 2004 There's my take on the Hatology release at www.paris.transatlantic.com by the way (in the latest issue). Quote
John B Posted October 4, 2004 Report Posted October 4, 2004 There's my take on the Hatology release at www.paris.transatlantic.com by the way (in the latest issue). Thank you for posting the link! I haven't been over there in a while due to the technical issues Dan was having. I'm glad they seem to have been cleared up. Quote
Nate Dorward Posted October 4, 2004 Report Posted October 4, 2004 Whoops that should have been this page, no period. Yes, Dan was having some serious computer problems but managed to squeeze out the issue on time nonetheless! Quote
Matthew Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) If you feel like an adventure, Brozmann's early cds are very interesting. Machine Gun, of course, is a clarian call for "Free-Jazz", plus it is an amazing record to listen to. Each time I play it, I don't know whether to throw it against the wall, or play it again. I've really have come to like 1973 - FMP130, and very strange and creative mix of noise, beauty, yelling, and just a different musical experience. Edit: bad spelling Edited October 5, 2004 by Matthew Quote
alankin Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 Based on reviews I have read another "accessible" Brotz would be Tales out of Time, on Hat, with Joe McPhee, Kent Kessler and Michael Zerang. I have yet to hear it but it will be part of my next order. It's a very nice one. Maybe a bit more 'inside' than some of his other recent releases. Quote
alankin Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 Anyone else having a problem with Brotzmann / Ellis / Eneidi / Krall:Â Live At Spruce Street Forum (Botticelli 1015)? I can't wait to hear this one. I don't know when I would be able to play it, though. Perhaps some long car ride when no one is around to be bothered. Just be careful. The driver of this vehicle got distracted while listening to a Brotzmann CD. Don't let this happen to you! Quote
John B Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 I highly recommend all of the Last Exit albums I have heard but they can be difficult to track down for reasonable prices. I'm guessing they are all OOP now, correct? Quote
king ubu Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 I highly recommend all of the Last Exit albums I have heard but they can be difficult to track down for reasonable prices. I'm guessing they are all OOP now, correct? I only have this one, never crossed paths with any of the others yet. Heavy stuff, but good. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Posted October 6, 2004 Wow...this thread started over a year ago? Wonder if I've listened to anything else by the man in that time...hmmm. I'd have to say my favorite so far is the Die Like A Dog disc From Valley to Valley. But then I have yet to find a bad disc with Hamid Drake. (If you know of one, I'm not looking for "shitty Hamid Drake" recommendations; thank you anyway! ) Quote
Gary Posted October 8, 2004 Report Posted October 8, 2004 Senior Brotzmann can certainly play some beautiful music (especially with bass clarinet) Quote
John B Posted October 25, 2004 Report Posted October 25, 2004 Anyone else having a problem with Brotzmann / Ellis / Eneidi / Krall: Live At Spruce Street Forum (Botticelli 1015)? ] What's the problem? (Just bought this one last night from Lisle Ellis, who was playing in Santa Cruz with What We Live and remarkable singer, Saadet Turkoz). What do you think of this disc so far? I also bought a copy at a What We Live show and I love it! Such a glorious cacophany. Quote
Nate Dorward Posted October 25, 2004 Report Posted October 25, 2004 Yeah I've been listening to it a fair bit lately & still think it's marvellous. The first & last tracks in particular--the middle tracks are relatively polite (you know, they take turns to solo) but the openers & closers are just brutal, all-in juggernaut performances. I particularly like the way that the core trio just jumps in & gets going & Brotz hangs back a bit, coming in a bit late--they don't "support" him or extend any courtesy, they just blare away & dare him to come in. & whereas Brotz sometimes sounds a bit too rationalized on recent discs--loud, but not passionate--he really sounds friggin' nuts on some of these tracks. Quote
John B Posted October 25, 2004 Report Posted October 25, 2004 I particularly like the way that the core trio just jumps in & gets going & Brotz hangs back a bit, coming in a bit late--they don't "support" him or extend any courtesy, they just blare away & dare him to come in. That is a very good description...I found the tension increasing quite a bit at the start of the first track as I listened to Eneidi, Ellis and Krall wail away and I waited and waited, knowing that Brotz was about to enter the fray and wondering how much higher they could take the intensity. Quote
Bright Moments Posted January 23, 2005 Report Posted January 23, 2005 the liner notes to "dried rat dog" state that brotzmann once broke a rib blowing his sax. is this true? details please! Quote
Д.Д. Posted January 23, 2005 Report Posted January 23, 2005 the liner notes to "dried rat dog" state that brotzmann once broke a rib blowing his sax. is this true? details please! I've heard a story abour torn blood vessel on the neck. A lot of violent mythology surrounds this Brötzmann guy. Did you like the Dried Rat Dog? Quote
Bright Moments Posted January 23, 2005 Report Posted January 23, 2005 the liner notes to "dried rat dog" state that brotzmann once broke a rib blowing his sax. is this true? details please! I've heard a story abour torn blood vessel on the neck. A lot of violent mythology surrounds this Brötzmann guy. Did you like the Dried Rat Dog? i did like it. i think i'm starting to "get" him. this is a kind of music that you can't think about, you just have to let it sink into you and let yourself be carried along with it. B-) Quote
Bright Moments Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 the liner notes to "dried rat dog" state that brotzmann once broke a rib blowing his sax. is this true? details please! surely someone can shed some light on this! Quote
Bright Moments Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 the liner notes to "dried rat dog" state that brotzmann once broke a rib blowing his sax. is this true? details please! surely someone can shed some light on this! don't make me post this in the funny rat thread!!! Quote
MomsMobley Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 peter brotzmann heather leigh duo (>>> all "chicago ____ -tet recordings / performances combined but even if one enjoys those sounds, this still greater, brotz included.)  Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 surprisingly good; I was never a big fan of Charlambides or much in that realm, but this actually works. I like some, not all, Tentet music. Usually better when they brought in guests to shake things up a bit. Quote
Rabshakeh Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 Some brazen skimming for recommendations here, but which of the Chicago Octet / Tentet records.do.you most enjoy? I realised that I only really know the first. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) For me the best Tentet recordings are 2 of the last 3 later ones: Walk, Love, Sleep 2 CD set from April 22, 2011 3 Days in Oslo February 2009 5 CD box with 1st & 5th CD being the full band first 5-6 minutes of the set on disc 5 of the latter is among the most incredible slabs of fierce live music put on disc ever. these 4 sets are recorded in up-front sound and the band is burning, blazing hot throughout as good as the earlier recordings with Drake are (with notated music), I still struggle with them to some extent as they only offer a tiny sliver of what it was like to see the band live. Still the best live show of any kind I’ve ever seen were the 2 sets at Tonic in NYC on their second time through the States. Of the earlier discs Stone/Water comes closest to capturing the absurd energy & power of the mighty band. as an aside a great recording of a small Brotzmann group is Yatagarasu with Sato & Moriyama / on not two records The great man hits some incredible peaks and the pianist & drummer are pure fire. Two 30 minute pieces with Peter really building up momentum. Not sure I’ve ever heard a pianist more suited to his playing / including Van Hove. fwiw over the years the more I listen the more there is to hear from Brotzmann. This seems contradictory due to his singular approach but there is a depth to his playing and sound that is unmatched by the vast majority of musicians. Edited August 14, 2022 by Steve Reynolds Quote
mjazzg Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Steve Reynolds said:  fwiw over the years the more I listen the more there is to hear from Brotzmann. This seems contradictory due to his singular approach but there is a depth to his playing and sound that is unmatched by the vast majority of musicians. I couldn't agree more. Also, I rate that Oslo box very highly. Seeing the Tentet+2 at Oto was one of the most extraordinary live musical experiences of 45 years attending gigs. I realise now that I haven't bought any Tentet albums since the gig, probably subconsciously thinking they're never going to match up. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 4 hours ago, mjazzg said: I couldn't agree more. Also, I rate that Oslo box very highly. Seeing the Tentet+2 at Oto was one of the most extraordinary live musical experiences of 45 years attending gigs. I realise now that I haven't bought any Tentet albums since the gig, probably subconsciously thinking they're never going to match up. They won’t but Walk Love Sleep might be as close as a recording can get:) Quote
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