Question re J.J. (and Kai)

[Jim R]

Does anyone know if the Columbia "Jay and Kai" LP was ever released on CD?

10" version, CL 2573 (5 tracks)

12" version, CL 973 (includes all material on the 10")

Recorded Nov. 17, 1955

with Dick Katz,Milt Hinton,Shadow Wilson,Candido

July 18, 1956

with Dick Katz, Bill Crow, Kenny Clarke

and January 29, 1957 (one track without Winding)

with Bobby Jaspar, Tommy Flanagan, Wilbur Little, Elvin Jones

12" LP tracks:

you'd be so nice to come home to,caribe,happiness is a thing called joe,the song is you,in the wee small hours of the morning,yes you, tromboniums in motion,how high the moon,violets for your furs,too close for comfort,s'wonderful,i should care

Somehow I had fooled myself into thinking this material was included in the Mosaic set (CL 973 is included in the album index, but only because one track from the album- from the 1957 session- was included).

Edited November 7, 2005 by Jim R

[jazzbo]

I don't believe cd releases exist. . . . More's the pity.

[robviti]

i don't think so either, although trombone for two is included on this collectibles reissue. it was released by columbia in 1956 and features Dick Katz, Paul Chambers and Osie Johnson.

Edited November 7, 2005 by jazzshrink

[JPF]

I believe all their stuff is included in this:

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LHJ10179

COMPLETE FIFTIES STUDIO RECORDINGS

J. J. JOHNSON

2 CD SET.

Includes all 4 studio albums that comprise the complete 1950´s recorded legacy of the J.J. Johnson and Kai Winding Quintet. Also contains an alternate version of Porter´s standard.

Over 135 minutes of music!

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That LHJ is Lone Hill Jazz. Yes, I know the Thought Police on this board say we shouldn't buy from those European companies, so let's wait until Columbia/Sony reissues it , because we know that they'll send all the profits to the Johnson and Winding estates

[Fer Urbina]

I believe all their stuff is included in this:

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LHJ10179

COMPLETE FIFTIES STUDIO RECORDINGS

J. J. JOHNSON

2 CD SET.

Includes all 4 studio albums that comprise the complete 1950´s recorded legacy of the J.J. Johnson and Kai Winding Quintet. Also contains an alternate version of Porter´s standard.

Over 135 minutes of music!

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That LHJ is Lone Hill Jazz. Yes, I know the Thought Police on this board say we shouldn't buy from those European companies, so let's wait until Columbia/Sony reissues it  , because we know that they'll send all the profits to the Johnson and Winding estates   

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The fact is that we'll have to wait, because LoneHill keep misunderstanding the meaning of *complete* as in *complete fifties studio recordings* (even accepting that only one of the sessions in the Columbia LP is by a quintet).

This is what's included in the LoneHill reissue

4 Complete Albums On 2 CDs!

- Trombone For Two! (Columbia, 1955)

- “Nuf Said”! (Bethlehem, 1955)

- Jay & Kai Quintet! (Prestige, 1954)

- Jay And Kai! (Savoy, 1954)

Tracklisting:

CD-1

1. Blues for trombones

2. What is this thing called love

3. Lament

4. The Major

5. Bernie's tune

6. Reflections

7. Co-op

8. Blues in two's

9. The whiffenpoof song

10. Give me the single life

11. Close as pages in bool

12. Turnabout

13. Trombone for two

14. It's sand, man

15. We two

16. Let's get away from it all

17. Goodbye

18. This can't be love

CD-2

1. Out of this world

2. Thou swell

3. Lover

4. Lope city

5. Stolen bass

6. It's alright with me

7. Mad about the boy

8. Yes Sir, that's my baby

9. That's how I feel about you

10. Gong rock

11. It's alright with me (alt.take)

12. Don't argue

13. How long has this been going on

14. Riviera

15. Dinner for one

16. Hip bones

17. Wind bag

18. We'll be together again

19. Bag's groove

No trace of the music included in Columbia's "Jay and Kai" then.

F

[JPF]

Thanks for the info.

Maybe "complete" translated into Spanish doesn't mean the same thing.

[medjuck]

I believe all their stuff is included in this:

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LHJ10179

COMPLETE FIFTIES STUDIO RECORDINGS

J. J. JOHNSON

2 CD SET.

Includes all 4 studio albums that comprise the complete 1950´s recorded legacy of the J.J. Johnson and Kai Winding Quintet. Also contains an alternate version of Porter´s standard.

Over 135 minutes of music!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That LHJ is Lone Hill Jazz. Yes, I know the Thought Police on this board say we shouldn't buy from those European companies, so let's wait until Columbia/Sony reissues it  , because we know that they'll send all the profits to the Johnson and Winding estates   

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Well they won't send them profits but they may have to send them royalties and if they've written any of the songs they get composers fees by law-- something I suspect Lonehill doesn't pay.

[BruceH]

Do I smell a future Mosaic; perhaps a Select?

[Fer Urbina]

Thanks for the info.

Maybe "complete" translated into Spanish doesn't mean the same thing.   

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Oh yes it does... or perhaps it doesn't in *Andorran*. This happened before with the *complete* recordings of Hal McKusick with Barry Galbraith, Milt Hinton and Osie Johnson, they missed Lydian Lullaby, The Day John Brown Was Hanged and Miss Clara from McKusick's "Jazz Workshop".

Besides, the sticker on that one said "Collectors' items on CD for the first time ever", so forget about having ever seen the following CDs

- Hal McKusick: East Coast Series No. 8 (Bethlehem/Fresh Sound FSR-CD41, Spain 1989)

- Hal McKusick: In A Twentieth Century Drawing Room (RCA/BMG 74321125842, Spain 1996)

- Hal McKusick: The Jazz Workshop (RCA/BMG 74321913522, Spain 2001)

- Hal McKusick: Jazz At The Academy (Coral/Universal UCCC-9064, Japan 2003)

and also

- V. A.: The RCA Victor Jazz Workshop/The Arrangers (Bluebird/BMG ND 86471, Germany 1989), which has five tracks from McKusick's Workshop album.

There, you needn't even bother with legal niceties.

F

[JPF]

Maybe "complete" translated into Spanish doesn't mean the same thing.   

It was meant as a joke. See, there's this thing called irony, where you say the opposite of what you mean in order to......never mind.

Oh yes it does... or perhaps it doesn't in *Andorran*.

There's no such language as "Andorran." In Andorra, they speak Catalan.

[Fer Urbina]

Maybe "complete" translated into Spanish doesn't mean the same thing.   

It was meant as a joke. See, there's this thing called irony, where you say the opposite of what you mean in order to......never mind.

Oh yes it does... or perhaps it doesn't in *Andorran*.

There's no such language as "Andorran." In Andorra, they speak Catalan.

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Hi JPF

I probably should have planted a few smilies here and there. I knew you were being ironic and I also know that there's no "Andorran" language (been to the place, actually).

Funnily enough I was trying to be ironic too when I said "Andorran"...

All the best,

F

[EKE BBB]

Just in case any of you need a few appartments there...

http://www.andorran-properties.com/ang/and...roperty_ang.asp

Don´t forget to put this sign on the main entrance:

<<Andorran spoken>>

Oh, that particular Spanish sense of humor...

[Fer Urbina]

Going back to the original question, there's more Jay & Kai stuff coming up from the Pyrenees (LHJ10218 J.J. JOHNSON & KAI WINDING QUINTET An Afternoon At Birdland), but I don't know whether it includes the Columbia recordings Jim R was asking about.

F

[Daniel A]

The Fresh Sound website has the following info about that Lone Hill release:

An Afternoon At Birdland

J.J. Johnson & Kai Winding Quintet

Featuring: J.J. Johnson, Kai Winding, Dick Katz, Peck Morrison, Al Harewood

REFERENCE: LHJ10218

BAR CODE: -

PRICE:  12.45 €

Total Time: 69:53

Contains the complete albums:

An Afternoon At Birdland (Only Previously Available On a Limited Out Of Stock Japanese Edition!)

Jay & Kai + 6, The Jay And Kai Trombone Octet Included as Bonus Tracks!

This release contains the J.J. Johnson and Kai Winding Quintet’s third recording as a unit – a live performance recorded at New York’s prestigious Birdland club on October 17, 1954.

This outstanding concert was only previously available on a limited Japanese edition that is currently out of stock.

In addition to the performance at Birdland we have decided to include the outstanding New York sessions recorded on April 2, 4 & 6, 1956 as bonus tracks. These dates boast an eight man trombone section featuring Bob Alexander, Eddie Bert, Urbie Green, Jimmy Cleveland, Tom Mitchell and Bart Varsalona. Piano giant Hank Jones and drum guru Osie Johnson were also on hand for all of the dates, while the stalwart veterans Milt Hinton (April 2 & 4) and Ray Brown (April 6) traded off on bass. Percussion legend Candido Camero was also present for the April 6 date.

[JPF]

According to Jazzmatazz, this is coming out Nov. 29th:

J.J. Johnson & Kai Winding - Jay & Kai (Columbia [Japan]) Nov 29

Could this be the album this thread is about? Looks like it.

[Daniel A]

How many albums titled "Jay & Kai" are there? HMV Japan lists a release from Japanese Columbia for November 23, but it has the following track list:

1 Bernies Tune

2 Lament

3 Blues For Trombones

4 The Major

5 Yesterdays

6 Co-op

7 Reflections

8 Blues In Twos

9 What Is This Thing Called Love

10 The Boy Next Door

Cat no: COCB53459