monkboughtlunch Posted October 9, 2005 Report Posted October 9, 2005 Are there any more 1960s dates with Green as a leader or sideman for the Verve and Blue Note labels that have yet to be issued on compact disc? Quote
Jim R Posted October 9, 2005 Report Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) I've forgotten if "Wings and Things" (Verve) ever got released on CD outside the U.S....? "Joe's Blues"? (Johnny Hodges/Wild Bill Davis; Verve) Then there's the unissued ("rejected") quartet session (BN) from Nov. 26, 1960 with Wynton Kelly, PC, and PJJ. Edited October 9, 2005 by Jim R Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Posted May 7, 2006 The BN date you mentioned was released as "First Session" back in 2001. I don't think the Johnny Hodges verve dates have been issued on CD. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 There's a run-through for Solid sitting somewhere in the vaults (I think it has John Gilmore). Do a search--it came up on a thread a couple of months ago. Quote
Daniel A Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18104 Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Posted May 7, 2006 I think there are more Blue Note sessions that were rejected or unissued. Wasn't there a date with Freddie Roach that was shelved? And wasn't there a date with Gene Harris on organ that was shelved? Quote
Swinging Swede Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 There are also two unissued Verve sessions from 1965. It has been discussed before, I think. Quote
Sundog Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 I seem to remember discussion of a live date recorded at Club Mozambique? Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Posted May 7, 2006 Here's a great discography of Green, featuring unissued / rejected info: http://www.jazzdisco.org/green/dis/c/ Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Posted May 7, 2006 (edited) Here's some interesting Green reject/unissued dates: Kenny Dorham Sextet Kenny Dorham (tp) Charles Davis (bars) Kenny Drew (p) Grant Green (g) Wilbur Ware (b) Kai ??? (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, March 19, 1961 tk.9 Mason Dixon Line Blue Note rejected tk.20 Blues Lament - tk.24 Cross "D" Tracks - tk.26 Blue Ching - tk.27 Spadesville - tk.31 9 1/2 Street - ------ Ike Quebec Quintet Ike Quebec (ts) Freddie Roach (org) Grant Green (g) Butch Warren (b) Wilbert Hogan (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, May 25, 1962 Sonny Boy Blue Note rejected Take Your Shoes Off - Cop 'n Blo - Early Morning Shuffle - Travelin' - Born to Be Blue - Throwing a Brick - ---------- Ike Quebec Quintet same personnel Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 1, 1962 tk.8 Take Your Shoes Off Blue Note rejected tk.13 Cop 'n Blo - tk.20 Sonny Boy - tk.32 Throwing a Brick - tk.40 Early Morning Shuffle - tk.44 Travelin' ----------- Gene Harris Trio Gene Harris (org) Grant Green (g) Al Harewood (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, October 15, 1962 tk.4 Untitled Blues Blue Note rejected tk.5 Untitled Fast Blues - tk.6 Georgia on My Mind - tk.10 Playmates - tk.11 Please Send Me Someone to Love - tk.15 Sack o' Woe - ----------- Charlie Rouse Quintet Charlie Rouse (ts) Joe Zawinul (p) Grant Green (g) Sam Jones (b) Frankie Dunlop (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, April 17, 1963 tk.4 Clo-E Blue Note rejected tk.13 Little Sherri - tk.17 What Kind of Fool Am? I - tk.24 I Left My Hart in San Francisco - ------------- Grant Green Sextet John Gilmore (ts) Bobby Hutcherson (vib) Duke Pearson (p) Grant Green (g) Butch Warren (b) Billy Higgins (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, February 12, 1964 1299 Untitled Grant Green Tune, No. 3 Blue Note rejected 1300 Minor League - 1301 Grant's Tune - 1302 Un Poco Loco - 1303 Ezz-thetic ----------- Harold Vick Quintet Harold Vick (ts) George Coleman (ts, as) "Big" John Patton (org) Grant Green (g) Ben Dixon (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, May 27, 1964 1359 Soul Call Blue Note rejected 1360 Like Alice - ----------- Grant Green and others Grant Green (g) a.o. NYC, August 5, 1965 65VK427 Iron City March Verve unissued 65VK428 Angel - 65VK429 Fat Judy - 65VK430 Samba de Orfeu - 65VK431 Chim Chim Cheree - ------------- Grant Green and others same personnel NYC, September 1, 1965 65VK458 Things Ain't What They Used to Be Verve unissued 65VK459 Moon Over All - 65VK460 I Can't Stop Loving You - 65VK461 High Heel Sneakers - 65VK462 Blues Train - 65VK463 Sunday, Monday or Always - 65VK464 Fever - 65VK465 Dream - 65VK466 Uptown - -------------- Grant Green Quintet Claude Bartee (ts) Emmanuel Riggins (org) Grant Green (g) Herbie Lewis (b) Idris Muhammad (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, May 29, 1970 6478 I Can't Leave Your Love Alone Blue Note unissued 6479 Let Yourself Go - 6480 Love on a Two-Way Street - 6481 Green Acid - 6482 Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head - 6483 Something - 6484 Let It Rain - -------------- Grant Green Quintet Houston Person (ts) Clarence Thomas (ts, ss) Ronnie Foster (org) Grant Green (g) Idris Muhammad (d) "Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 1st set, January 6, 1971 Patches Blue Note rejected More Today Than Yesterday - One Less Bell to Answer - Bottom of the Barrel - Jan Jan - Make It Easy on Yourself - Farid Blue Note unissued One More Chance Blue Note rejected Grant Green Quintet same personnel "Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 2nd set, January 6, 1971 Patches Blue Note rejected One Less Bell to Answer - Bottom of the Barrel Blue Note unissued I Am Somebody - Glenda Blue Note rejected One More Chance - Walk on By Blue Note unissued Grant Green Quintet same personnel "Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 3rd set, January 6, 1971 Jan Jan Blue Note rejected More Today Than Yesterday - One More Chance Blue Note unissued Grant Green Quintet same personnel "Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 1st set, January 7, 1971 One More Chance Blue Note rejected Jan Jan - More Today Than Yesterday Blue Note unissued Farid Blue Note rejected Grant Green Quintet same personnel "Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 2nd set, January 7, 1971 I Am Somebody Blue Note rejected Patches - Bottom of the Barrel - Walk on By - Glenda Blue Note unissued Make It Easy on Yourself - Grant Green Quintet same personnel "Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 3rd set, January 7, 1971 Jan Jan Blue Note unissued Patches - I Am Somebody Blue Note rejected Walk on By - One More Chance Blue Note unissued -------------- Also, here are the complete set lists for Turrentine's "Up at Minton's" some of this is unissued: Stanley Turrentine Quintet Stanley Turrentine (ts) Horace Parlan (p) Grant Green (g) George Tucker (b) Al Harewood (d) "Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 1st set, February 23, 1961 tk.1 The Serpent's Tooth Blue Note unissued tk.2 By Myself - tk.3 Blues - Stanley Turrentine Quintet same personnel "Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 2nd set, February 23, 1961 tk.4 Love for Sale Blue Note BLP 4070 tk.5 In Your Own Sweet Way unissued tk.6 Come Rain or Come Shine Blue Note BLP 4070 tk.7 But Not for Me Blue Note BLP 4069 * Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 2 (Blue Note BLP 4070) * Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 1 (Blue Note BLP 4069) Stanley Turrentine Quintet same personnel "Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 3rd set, February 23, 1961 tk.8 Stanley's Time Blue Note BLP 4069 tk.9 Broadway - tk.10 Later at Minton's Blue Note BLP 4070 tk.11 Yesterdays Blue Note BLP 4069 tk.12 Squeeze Me unissued * Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 1 (Blue Note BLP 4069) * Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 2 (Blue Note BLP 4070) Stanley Turrentine Quintet same personnel "Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 4th set, February 23, 1961 tk.13 Blues unissued tk.14 Just in Time - tk.15 Summertime Blue Note BLP 4070 tk.16 This Can't Be Love unissued tk.17 Softly, As in a Morning Sunrise - tk.18 I'll Remember April - * Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 2 (Blue Note BLP 4070) Edited May 7, 2006 by monkboughtlunch Quote
Sundog Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 Previous discussion regarding Grant at Club Mozambique... GG @ Club Mozambique Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Posted May 7, 2006 Has Verve ever acknowledged if the two unissued dates from 1965 have survived in their vaults? Quote
Bluerein Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 I don't think the words "Verve" and "acknowledged" or for that matter "answered" are compatible...... Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 9, 2006 Report Posted May 9, 2006 There's one more; his first recording. Tommy Dean Tommy Dean (org); Fred Lee (ts); Grant Green (eg); Hattuch Alexander (b); Milton Wilson (d, bgo); Joe Buckner (voc). Universal Recording, Chicago, October 23, 1956 56-562 Boogie Googie (part 1) Vee-Jay unissued 56-563 Boogie Googie (part 2) 56-564 Ain't No Justice 56-565 She Left Me Alone 56-566 Come On That would be REALLY interesting to hear. I have a couple of 78s by Dean and his band swung like crazy! MG Quote
Dan Gould Posted May 9, 2006 Report Posted May 9, 2006 There's one more; his first recording. Tommy Dean Tommy Dean (org); Fred Lee (ts); Grant Green (eg); Hattuch Alexander (b); Milton Wilson (d, bgo); Joe Buckner (voc). Universal Recording, Chicago, October 23, 1956 56-562 Boogie Googie (part 1) Vee-Jay unissued 56-563 Boogie Googie (part 2) 56-564 Ain't No Justice 56-565 She Left Me Alone 56-566 Come On That would be REALLY interesting to hear. I have a couple of 78s by Dean and his band swung like crazy! MG I would have to assume these don't exist anymore, since there have been active Vee Jay reissue programs that coincided with Grant's sudden take-off in popularity. Surely this would have been reissued if they had it. Quote
bertrand Posted May 9, 2006 Report Posted May 9, 2006 I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has a copy of this, so I think it still exists. It probably was not reissued because there's nowhere really to fit in these few tracks. Bertrand. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 17, 2006 Report Posted May 17, 2006 whould blue note ever consider releasing all those unissued grant sessions as a box set?? sounds like they have enough material and it would certainly be one of the more intersting boxed sets to come out.... Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 17, 2006 Report Posted May 17, 2006 I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has a copy of this, so I think it still exists. It probably was not reissued because there's nowhere really to fit in these few tracks. Bertrand. That's the true advantage of the web and downloads. You have some well connected friends... MG Quote
mikeweil Posted May 17, 2006 Report Posted May 17, 2006 I wonder if Larry Young was on these two unissued Verve sessions - he was on the one that was released, and they were recorded not long after. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 17, 2006 Report Posted May 17, 2006 I wonder if Larry Young was on these two unissued Verve sessions - he was on the one that was released, and they were recorded not long after. Personnel aren't known in Ruppli's Verve discography. Here are the entries. GRANT GREEN (G) + ? NYC, 5 AUG 65 IRON CITY MARCH ANGL FAT JUDY SAMBA DE ORFEU CHIM CHIM CHEREE GRANT GREEN (G) WITH ? 1 SEP 65 THINGS AIN’T WHAT THEY USED TO BE MOON OVER ALL I CAN’T STOP LOVING YOU HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS BLUES TRAN SUNDAY, MONDAY OR ALWAYS FEVER DREAM UPTOWN Possibly Larry Young is on the 5 August job. Wouldn't like to guess who's on the other. MG Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted May 17, 2006 Author Report Posted May 17, 2006 When was Ruppli's discography published? How did he glean information? From sessions logs? Did he have access to the tape library and boxes? Did he hear any of the unreleased sessions? Quote
Jim R Posted May 18, 2006 Report Posted May 18, 2006 When was Ruppli's discography published? 1986 Quote
andybleaden Posted May 18, 2006 Report Posted May 18, 2006 whould blue note ever consider releasing all those unissued grant sessions as a box set?? sounds like they have enough material and it would certainly be one of the more intersting boxed sets to come out.... Yeah imagine if they could squeeze em all into one of the mosaic select thingies like they did with Andrew Hill recently. Wow Cannot see that happening though ( mind you I never could with the Hill material and that was superb!) I am sure a small amount of pressure could be brought to bear by a few more board members here Quote
robertoart Posted June 7, 2006 Report Posted June 7, 2006 When was Ruppli's discography published? 1986 Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al... Quote
robertoart Posted June 7, 2006 Report Posted June 7, 2006 When was Ruppli's discography published? 1986 Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al... Quote
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