Dan Gould Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) We've really been blessed by the discovery and release of two of the most significant "finds" the jazz world has seen, probably ever. So, this has to be a very tough call. Maybe the best way to think of the issue of "favorite" is to imagine you truly are allowed only one desert island disc, the Bird-Diz or the Monk-Coltrane. Which one do you take along? I do suggest thinking long and hard about this one, if you choose to participate. I'm kind of suspecting that #4 may win, but I do think that either way, most people will see the Bird-Diz as the most important. Edited October 1, 2005 by Dan Gould Quote
Free For All Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 Why is this necessary? They're both significant and they're both great. I love them both. Apples and oranges. Now if you'd included a Diz/Trane vs. Bird/Monk option............... Quote
Soul Stream Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 I agree with Free on this. They're both great. But I'll take Dan's bait and say this...the sound quality is so good on the Monk and so distant on the Bird that I get much more enjoyment from the Monk/Trane. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) Wow. I think the sound quality is so good on the Bird/Diz and it is somehow just seeming more significant to me (early date for bebop, CHARLIE AND DIZ AND MAX AND SID, etc.) that I had no choice but to choose the second option. Plus, though this really isn't supposed to matter in the poll I guess, I feel this little diligent label Uptown showed them ALL how it should be done. I love the Carnegie Hall, don't mistake me. MONK! Monk as good as it gets! *edited out a spelling error Edited October 1, 2005 by jazzbo Quote
Harold_Z Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 I really had to hit NULL. I'm enjoying both releases and I'm glad to have both of them. Quote
makpjazz57 Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 I think both are significant and for the time period of the Bird/Diz Town Hall concert, the sound is excellent. I am grateful to have both and can't say I love one more than the other, but I do love both and realize the significance of both. I do feel bad that the Bird/Diz Town Hall concert doesn't have the same "machine" type of marketing behind it that the Monk Coltrane does, but what finds and how lucky we are to have two of them this year. Let's hope there are more to come in 2006! Marla Quote
ghost of miles Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 Interesting question for me, Dan, as our jazz director and I wanted to pick BOTH of these titles for our primary fund-drive thank-you gift this year. However, we've been told that we can choose only one... and we're having a hard time deciding. Quote
mikeweil Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 I opt for a tie, without having heard either CD - hope to remedy that soon. Couldn't find the Monk today, and find the prices of German online sellers somewhat high. Quote
Claude Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 Both discoveries are obviously very significant. I voted for the Monk/Trane, only because there are so few recordings of both musicians together, and their Five Spot concert is poorly recorded. Quote
sheldonm Posted October 1, 2005 Report Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) Can't pick one over the other and just gave the Coltrane/Monk its first spin this morning. I may lean towards the Gillespie/Bird based on the crazy way it came about; could have easily ended up in the garbage. Unbelieveable that we came to get both these recordings this year and I've got to wonder what is still out there. By far the two most important releases of the year (and probably next year! ). Mark Edited October 1, 2005 by sheldonm Quote
Dennis_M Posted October 2, 2005 Report Posted October 2, 2005 I refuse to vote. Why does one recording have to be "better" than another? They are both great, and both essential. Quote
Soul Stream Posted October 2, 2005 Report Posted October 2, 2005 I refuse to vote. Why does one recording have to be "better" than another? They are both great, and both essential. ← Yes, one is better than the other. Didn't you know Bird and Diz suck. And so does Monk and Trane. Matter of fact, we should all just buy the new Jessica Simpson CD and be done with it. Quote
Rosco Posted October 2, 2005 Report Posted October 2, 2005 Gonna hold off voting yet... I've had a couple of months to live with the Bird/Diz set while the Monk/Trane is still fresh. As far as 'importance' goes... it'll probably be the Bird/Diz. The Monk/Trane album sheds new light on the progress of these two obviously influencial musicians, but the Bird/Diz helps define a whole genre and one that still remains the touchstone for anyone who plays or listens to this music. Besides, what are my chances of being trapped on a desert island anyway? Quote
Free For All Posted October 2, 2005 Report Posted October 2, 2005 Maybe the best way to think of the issue of "favorite" is to imagine you truly are allowed only one desert island disc, the Bird-Diz or the Monk-Coltrane. Which one do you take along? ← If I'm on a desert island it will make no difference which one I have since all I'll be doing with it is using the shiny side to signal for help. Quote
John L Posted October 2, 2005 Report Posted October 2, 2005 Why is this necessary? They're both significant and they're both great. I love them both. Apples and oranges. Maybe it is because only one deserves to survive? Quote
Dennis_M Posted October 2, 2005 Report Posted October 2, 2005 What happens if this desert island doesn't have an electrical outlet? Quote
Eric Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) I'm not sure this poll means much to me, but what I do find interesting is how much happened in the 12 short years between the two. For context, look where we were in 1993 and "how far" we have come since Edited October 3, 2005 by Eric Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 my vote goes for Abbott and Costello - Quote
robviti Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) my vote goes for Abbott and Costello - ← we finally agree! Edited October 4, 2005 by jazzshrink Quote
Brad Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 I had thought of this this morning before I saw this thread and for me it's Diz Bird hands down. Bop was still in the process of development whereas although Coltrane might have been in the development of his sound his music wasn't. Plus, while this is a great find somehow I've heard it many a time from Monk and Charlie Rouse. To me, the Town Hall concert is much fresher and newer. Love them both however. BTW, what is this fund drive Dan and GOM are doing. Haven't been on the board too much lately so I may have missed something. Quote
BruceH Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 I can't really choose one over the other. They're both great finds, great music, and sound good enough considering the recording limitations in each situation. The Bird/Diz may have slightly more historic significance...birth of bebop and all. But I enjoy them equally. Quote
Eric Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) So far: histortical signficance - Parker/Diz - 19-9 I like it better - Coltrane/Monk - 16-12 Makes sense, I suppose. But it is AMAZING to have them both!!! Edited October 3, 2005 by Eric Quote
Dan Gould Posted October 3, 2005 Author Report Posted October 3, 2005 So far: histortical signficance - Parker/Diz - 19-9 I like it better - Coltrane/Monk - 16-12 Makes sense, I suppose. But it is AMAZING to have them both!!! ← I figured Parker-Diz would win historical significance. Might be different on a Coltrane discussion board though! Quote
Claude Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 I'm not sure this poll means much to me, but what I do find interesting is how much happened in the 12 short years between the two. For context, look where we were in 1993 and "how far" we have come since ← In 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of child molestation .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_in_music Quote
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