Quick Dolphy question

[bertrand]

A quick question: are the Eric Dolphy compositions 'Far Cry' and 'Out There' the same? I don't have the latter album, which is why I can't check myself. A Booker Little discography I found on the web seemed to imply this.

Thanks,

Bertrand.

[robviti]

yes, the same theme is used in both titles. btw, dolphy's mandrake is the same tune as the madrig speaks the panther walks. also, it is argued that coltrane's miles' mode was actually written by dolphy and appeared earlier under the title red planet.

Edited September 14, 2005 by jazzshrink

[Stereojack]

it is argued that coltrane's miles' mode was actually written by dolphy and appeared earlier under the title red planet.

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Is there an earlier recording of the tune as "Red Planet"? I've never heard of one. I first heard the title "Red Planet" on Pee Wee Russell's "New Groove" from 1963. It wasn't until many years later that the tune was attributed to Dolphy.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Issued? No, but Impulse called it "Red Planet" when it was recorded at the Vanguard in 11/61 by Coltrane. And it was called "Red Planet" at the Illinois concert of Dolphy in 3/63 and it was specifically noted as a Dolphy piece on that program.

Gunther Schuller has Dolphy's own music for the piece, using the "Red Planet" title.

Mike

[Stereojack]

Issued? No, but Impulse called it "Red Planet" when it was recorded at the Vanguard in 11/61 by Coltrane. And it was called "Red Planet" at the Illinois concert of Dolphy in 3/63 and it was specifically noted as a Dolphy piece on that program.

Gunther Schuller has Dolphy's own music for the piece, using the "Red Planet" title.

Mike

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My point exactly. While the Russell album entitled it "Red Planet" by John Coltrane, it wasn't until many years later that the above information came to light.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Well, if you were in the audience at Illinois, the information was in print in 3/63. And apparently it was announced as RP at Birdland in 1962 does the Boris Rose recording support that?

Mike