bertrand Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 A quick question: are the Eric Dolphy compositions 'Far Cry' and 'Out There' the same? I don't have the latter album, which is why I can't check myself. A Booker Little discography I found on the web seemed to imply this. Thanks, Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robviti Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 (edited) yes, the same theme is used in both titles. btw, dolphy's mandrake is the same tune as the madrig speaks the panther walks. also, it is argued that coltrane's miles' mode was actually written by dolphy and appeared earlier under the title red planet. Edited September 14, 2005 by jazzshrink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 it is argued that coltrane's miles' mode was actually written by dolphy and appeared earlier under the title red planet. ← Is there an earlier recording of the tune as "Red Planet"? I've never heard of one. I first heard the title "Red Planet" on Pee Wee Russell's "New Groove" from 1963. It wasn't until many years later that the tune was attributed to Dolphy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Issued? No, but Impulse called it "Red Planet" when it was recorded at the Vanguard in 11/61 by Coltrane. And it was called "Red Planet" at the Illinois concert of Dolphy in 3/63 and it was specifically noted as a Dolphy piece on that program. Gunther Schuller has Dolphy's own music for the piece, using the "Red Planet" title. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Issued? No, but Impulse called it "Red Planet" when it was recorded at the Vanguard in 11/61 by Coltrane. And it was called "Red Planet" at the Illinois concert of Dolphy in 3/63 and it was specifically noted as a Dolphy piece on that program. Gunther Schuller has Dolphy's own music for the piece, using the "Red Planet" title. Mike ← My point exactly. While the Russell album entitled it "Red Planet" by John Coltrane, it wasn't until many years later that the above information came to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well, if you were in the audience at Illinois, the information was in print in 3/63. And apparently it was announced as RP at Birdland in 1962 does the Boris Rose recording support that? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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