Randy Twizzle Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Mickey Rooney always comes up short Quote
WD45 Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 han bennink gives me a headache with his light chattering style sometimes. ← Boy, I'd hate to see your reaction to Sunny Murray! ← no like sunny murray. i find him more "swooshy" and bennink more "chattery", which is what is annoying. also bennink seems "gimmicky" which makes me lose respect for him wheras murray seems sort of melodic. Having seen Bennink live, it gave me a better understanding of what he does. He was quite possibly the best drummer I have seen live. Quote
J Larsen Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Steve Reich (sorry, but "Drumming" is LAME) Meg White ain't THAT bad either! Yeah, she really is. Quote
Tom Storer Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Virtually every drummer who I have had the honor of performing with here in Russia. John--you perform with drummers? Quote
Jazz Kat Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 I don't like Dave Weckl, or Billy Cobham. Most of those fusion drummers, I have no taste for. Seems they play way too loud, and too many stuff, and the setting they're in, usually doesn't do it for me. Quote
michel1969 Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Tom Rainey is good on some records, but on stage, i really did not like his sound and his approach of drumming. Really? I thought he was great on a gig some months back with Tony Malaby and Brian Allen. I saw him performing with Andre Jaume, and was bored by his drumming. Really. It was both noisy and without power. I talked to a friend which also was in the attendance : we shared the same opinion after the set. But to be honest i also heard very elogious comments this night. Quote
John L Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Virtually every drummer who I have had the honor of performing with here in Russia. John--you perform with drummers? Tom- Yea, I've been doing that a little for fun here in Moscow. Nothing serious, obviously. I am no excuse for a professional musician. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 han bennink gives me a headache with his light chattering style sometimes. ← Boy, I'd hate to see your reaction to Sunny Murray! ← no like sunny murray. i find him more "swooshy" and bennink more "chattery", which is what is annoying. also bennink seems "gimmicky" which makes me lose respect for him wheras murray seems sort of melodic. Having seen Bennink live, it gave me a better understanding of what he does. He was quite possibly the best drummer I have seen live. Bennink is one of the best drummers the music has ever had, able to take it "out" and swing like there's no tomorrow. But I realize this is an opinion, and he certainly can distract/overpower. So can Milford, so can PLovens, apparently so can Tom Rainey. I have a bad memory for drummers I don't like; not that I love all of 'em, but it's easier to forget the existence of those I don't care for. That said, Bu is not at the top of my list, though that's more for what I've perceived as a repititious approach aesthetically than anything he's doing or not doing. And besides, who the fuck am I to judge Art Blakey? Quote
etherbored Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 11 pages and not one mention of jeff 'tain' watts. i was at a kenny garrett gig last year and my buddy up and walks flat out of the club (and doesn't return) after one too many migrane-inducing clams from tain... regards, -e- Quote
Joe G Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) "Clams"? You mean he was making lots of mistakes? edit for tone! Edited November 2, 2006 by Joe G Quote
etherbored Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 "Clams"? You mean he was making lots of mistakes? one mans clams are another mans mussels... -e- Quote
Guest the mommy Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 i have heard bennink on some stuff since i wrote in this thread which i enjoyed-for instance, that "dutch masters" album on black saint/soul note. he swings on that one for sure. but i have also heard stuff where i am not crazy about him, like evan parker's "topography of the lungs". though he isn't terrible. just too light for me. i am sure i will be able to grow into bennik as i mature and appreciate more stuff. i have seen tom rainey live and i think whoever earlier (michel?) described it, was correct-he is sort of busy and noisy, but without power. if that makes sense. though i think tim berne's compositions are energy sapping so this might have been the reason why. what did i write here earlier...i don't remember. i did write i don't like ben riley and i will stand by that. and i see what cliff is saying about blakey, but i don't mind it. in the context of the music he was playing (which can start to sound same-ey anyways if you listen to too much at once) it doesn't bother me. jazz kat, aren't you a bit young to be making broad generalized dismissive generalizations like you did above about "fusion drummers"? no offense meant...but i mean, a lot of good drummers have played some of what you might call fusion and have done pretty well with it. i have never really cared for max roach. i don't know why. but i was recently reading some of whitney balliet's writings and he had a good description of roach's playing which i wish i could remember right now...but i agreed with it. i will look it up or maybe someone else can recall. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Claude Delcloo, despite making maybe a few decent recordings with Arthur Jones and Jacques Coursil, is generally a poser... Quote
Larry Kart Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Matt Wilson. He's so square he's cubical. And the sound he gets out of his kit is dead. Quote
Guest the mommy Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 i think delcloo sounds on that live archie shepp double disc. otherwise he sucks. not really adding much of anything. but on that shepp, he sounds vigorous. Quote
kh1958 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Any drummer, other than a certifiable jazz giant, who takes more than one solo per set. Quote
Nate Dorward Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Matt Wilson. He's so square he's cubical. And the sound he gets out of his kit is dead. Yeah, & I hate it when he goes "avant-garde" & brings out a kid's raygun or something for one track on an album. I think he's a player that maybe I get irritated with because he's everywhere, to the point where I'm guaranteed that at least one CD per month I receive for review has Matt Wilson on it. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Any drummer, other than a certifiable jazz giant, who takes more than one solo per set. Why? Quote
Jazz Kat Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) This ain't pop music! Drum solos can be very inventive. Why can't the drummers get enough room to express themselves than say a sax player or a piano player......? Edited November 3, 2006 by Jazz Kat Quote
kh1958 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Any drummer, other than a certifiable jazz giant, who takes more than one solo per set. Why? A drum solo with every song is really boring, in my opinion. Drum solos in jazz, as a general rule, should occur only in moderation. Quote
Guest the mommy Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 well on the other hand, a drummer can play accompaniment as if he or she is solo-ing the whole time and it can sound good but no one else in the band can really pull that off. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 i have never really cared for max roach. i don't know why. but i was recently reading some of whitney balliet's writings and he had a good description of roach's playing which i wish i could remember right now...but i agreed with it. i will look it up or maybe someone else can recall. Was it that "he sounds like he's rapping a cardboard box" (or something like that) comment? While I love Roach's dark, punchy sound, he's also very on-the-beat--which can get a little draining (there's a sort of "monolith effect" at work). Quote
sal Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 I must say, I am shocked that Max Roach's name came up in this thread. Quote
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