Jazz Kat Posted July 17, 2005 Report Posted July 17, 2005 Talking about drummers long ago, I love everyone (Philly Joe, Art, Max, Roy, etc.) except for maybe Louis Haynes. (He seems to be playing too loud on some of Cannonball's stuff. Dannie Richmond was stunning, BTW. As for current drummers, Marcus Baylor, Billy Martin, Roy Wooten, Steve Gadd, Dave Weckl, Peter Erksine, Danny Gotlieb, etc. Quote
brownie Posted July 17, 2005 Report Posted July 17, 2005 (edited) Clifford, Frank Butler, really? I have only heard his work on "Seven Steps to Heaven" and I find it pleasing but not particularly stunning, sounds like hes trying too hard to fill the hole left by Jimmy Cobb at times. ← Get a listen to the Curtis Counce albums that were recorded on Contemporary! Butler is beyond Cobb... Edited July 17, 2005 by brownie Quote
sidewinder Posted July 17, 2005 Report Posted July 17, 2005 I would definitely have to say Joe Chambers (can't believe he hasn't already been mentioned - he's on just about all of my favourite Blue Notes, excepting the Blakeys and the ones with T. Williams esq.) Just spinning El Gaucho on 'Adams Apple' right now, which clinches my opinion. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Clifford, Frank Butler, really? I have only heard his work on "Seven Steps to Heaven" and I find it pleasing but not particularly stunning, sounds like hes trying too hard to fill the hole left by Jimmy Cobb at times. ← Get a listen to the Curtis Counce albums that were recorded on Contemporary! Butler is beyond Cobb... ← What Brownie said. Also listen to Harold Land's The Fox and Elmo Hope's Trio - two Contemporary dates from 1959. Cobb could only dream of playing this. As I understand it, Butler's career was stunted by his "klepto" tendencies. One story I heard had him booted from the Ellington band. Whatever, he was a very good drummer. Quote
JSngry Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 As I understand it, Butler's career was stunted by his "klepto" tendencies. One story I heard had him booted from the Ellington band. Was that when he was going by the name of "Irviog Mills"? Quote
sal Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Elvin Jones and Tony Williams are my favorites. I love Max Roach, Art Blakey and Philly Joe Jones as well. As for new guys, I like Brian Blade, Nasheet Waits and Matt Wilson. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Butler is awesome, and it has always sounded to me like, of the drummers most influenced by African music, he has really taken the approach to a more sonic level (apart, that is, from purely rhythmic). I'm actually blanking on it now, but there is a particularly interesting non-isometric solo on that Elmo Hope Trio record that really shows this to be the case - not to mention his work with Trane on Kulu Se Mama. Quote
Elissa Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Jo Jones Trio records are among my favorites of all time and I just don't know if anyone ever swung quite as hard as he did, then or with Basie. Plus to a vast extent, any innovations that are attributed to later drummers Papa Jo had already mapped out - that would include the hi hat stuff and the tonality so often attributed to Max (and Max would tell you that as well) and a lot of Klook's time. But speaking of favorites, which is simply aesthetics, not technix, between Jo and Elvin Jones, that's pretty much it. On the other hand, jazz just boasts countless reams of fabulous drummers now don't it. Tain in particular never ceases to amaze me. Billy Hart is an undisputed master, as is Victor Lewis. Willie Jones III swings pretty damn hard, but has all the feel you could ask for; ditto Gene Jackson and Greg Hutchison. Jason Marsalis is my favorite musician of that clan and regardless of who his brothers may or may not be, a fine musician. Ari Hoenig is fairly incredible - I've heard him play Caravan note for note, solo. The young (and beautiful) Kim Thompson has a lot to say as well. Don Moye never fails to lift me about 40 feet into the air. I loved Dennis Chambers very much, RIP, and can still smell his vanilla cologne and hear him saying "Formidable" in a French accent. And where would we be without Dannie Richmond? How lucky we are that even today, there remain too many to name. Edited July 18, 2005 by Elis Quote
Free For All Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Elis, you describe Dennis Chambers as if he's deceased. He's still around, isn't he? Quote
Spontooneous Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Elis, you describe Dennis Chambers as if he's deceased. He's still around, isn't he? ← Maybe thinking of Denis Charles? Quote
Elissa Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Ah yes, thanks, Denis Charles, Papa Jazz, RIP. Edited July 18, 2005 by Elis Quote
Elissa Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Anyone seen this?: An Interrupted Conversation Edited July 18, 2005 by Elis Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 No, I haven't, but now I want to. Love Denis Charles!!! Though he's not what I'd call a bop drummer - very much into his own shit that seems to ascribe to no particular school. Quote
randissimo Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Jack Dejohnette, Brian Blade and Billy Kilson. Elvin Jones, Bill Stewart and Roy Haynes are up there as well. ← I'm with you.. These are some of favorites as well, especially Jack D.. I also like Tony Sanchez and let's not forget Adam Nussbaum! I heard him with Michael Brecker at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco in 1987 and he blew me away!! Quote
randissimo Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Truthfully, there are so many many great drummers out there known and many more unknown.. A good example of an unknown drummer who should be more known is a cat I know originally from the Detroit area, and since 1992 has been in the SF bay area, drummer Danny Spencer.. He was one of only a few white drummers on the Blue Note label in the 60's and played as much drums as Tony Williams on those CJQ (contemporary Jazz Guintet) albums! Quote
Brandon Burke Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Clifford, Frank Butler, really? I have only heard his work on "Seven Steps to Heaven" and I find it pleasing but not particularly stunning, sounds like hes trying too hard to fill the hole left by Jimmy Cobb at times. ← Shit man, the only reason I hopped onto this thread was to mention Frank Butler! I find him especially enjoyable on Contemporary dates like Elmo Hope Trio, Harold Land The Fox, and Hampton Hawes For Real. Definitely give him another look. I like Jimmy Cobb and all but find Bulter much more exciting... Quote
Brandon Burke Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Butler is awesome, and it has always sounded to me like, of the drummers most influenced by African music, he has really taken the approach to a more sonic level (apart, that is, from purely rhythmic). I'm actually blanking on it now, but there is a particularly interesting non-isometric solo on that Elmo Hope Trio record that really shows this to be the case - not to mention his work with Trane on Kulu Se Mama. ← Is it "Something for Kenny"? The one where he uses fingers and knuckles... Quote
jazzbo Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 There are so many great jazz drummers that it's not surprising that in a "Favorites" thread hundreds and hundreds don't eventually get mentioned. Frank Butler contributed strongly to many great sessions! I love a lot of the prebop drummers . . . Baby Dodds. Wow. George Wettling, a Dodds fanatic himself. Zutty Singleton. Sonny Greer--very unique, Sonny. As the lovely Elis says, Jo Jones. . . swung as hard as anyone ever (and was the Mayor of TasteTown). Dave Tough. Gene Krupa. Kaiser Marshall. So many! Quote
randissimo Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 There are so many great jazz drummers that it's not surprising that in a "Favorites" thread hundreds and hundreds don't eventually get mentioned. Frank Butler contributed strongly to many great sessions! I love a lot of the prebop drummers . . . Baby Dodds. Wow. George Wettling, a Dodds fanatic himself. Zutty Singleton. Sonny Greer--very unique, Sonny. As the lovely Elis says, Jo Jones. . . swung as hard as anyone ever (and was the Mayor of TasteTown). Dave Tough. Gene Krupa. Kaiser Marshall. So many! ← Isn't Kaiser Marshall the father of SF bay area legend Eddie Marshall? Quote
brownie Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Butler is awesome, and it has always sounded to me like, of the drummers most influenced by African music, he has really taken the approach to a more sonic level (apart, that is, from purely rhythmic). I'm actually blanking on it now, but there is a particularly interesting non-isometric solo on that Elmo Hope Trio record that really shows this to be the case - not to mention his work with Trane on Kulu Se Mama. ← Is it "Something for Kenny"? The one where he uses fingers and knuckles... ← That was on A Fifth For Frank from the Curtis Counce Contemporary album 'Landslide'. An amazing solo! Quote
Nate Dorward Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Yeah Frank Butler's great--I mostly know him from his work with Art Pepper (including a reunion of Pepper, Butler & Dolo Coker from Intensity on the 1970s release California Hard which has a 15-minute drum feature on it called "4FB"--check it out!) Quote
keberobeats88 Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 Tony Williams and Elvin Jones have been my idols for so long...but also Boo, Max Roach, Roy Haynes, Philly Joe, and Jack DeJohnette. New guys are Louis Nash and Smitty Smith. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 And what about Lex Humphries. He's on my favorite tune of all time! Quote
WD45 Posted July 18, 2005 Report Posted July 18, 2005 One of the most interesting durmmers I have had a chance to see was Han Bennink. He actually lit a paper bag on fire on his drums and played it all the while. Odd, entertaining and musical. Quote
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