mrjazzman Posted July 8, 2005 Author Report Posted July 8, 2005 bob brookmeyer "major and revered" you've got to be kidding....... ← Nope. Not at all. He's both in my world. ← ok kenny, i can dig that........ ← And I suspect I'm not alone! Have you heard any of the Mulligan Concert Jazz Band albums? ← no i haven't, think it would be a waste of my time, ive heard his playing and imo its the jazz equivilant(spelling) to elavator music. to lightweight, i like the heavy, intense, blusey hard bop playing of pepper adams, leo parker, ronnie cuber, charles davis ← how could i leave out cecil payne, and gary smulyan
kenny weir Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 no i haven't, think it would be a waste of my time, ive heard his playing and imo its the jazz equivilant(spelling) to elavator music. to lightweight, i like the heavy, intense, blusey hard bop playing of pepper adams, leo parker, ronnie cuber, charles davis ← That's cool. But ... there you're talking about what you LIKE. In your opening post it, came across more as a matter seriously dissing these gents rather than merely not digging their styles or sounds. And I'd hate to have my musical tastes in this life so sorted and regimented that I was beyond being surprised. As the Mulligan Mosaic most surely did.
Free For All Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 Count me in as a Brookmeyer fan. I think his improvisations have a lot of continuity and good development of ideas, and he swings too. I'm really a fan of his arranging/composing though. He's definitely one of the heaviest in that area IMHO, up there with Bill Holman. Regarding Mulligan, I like his playing (even if my favorite baritonist is Pepper), arranging and LOVE the CJB. To each his own.
mrjazzman Posted July 8, 2005 Author Report Posted July 8, 2005 it was nothing personal against those gents. maybe the original post could have been written a little better, i will agree with you on that point kenny..........
kenny weir Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 it was nothing personal against those gents. maybe the original post could have been written a little better, i will agree with you on that point kenny.......... ← That's sweet. And just remember: Never say never. This week I'm gleefully drowning in Bill Monroe and Charlie. Who'd thunk it - up to my neck in bluegrass and old-timey after all these years.
king ubu Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 Count me in as a Brookmeyer fan. I think his improvisations have a lot of continuity and good development of ideas, and he swings too. I'm really a fan of his arranging/composing though. He's definitely one of the heaviest in that area IMHO, up there with Bill Holman. Regarding Mulligan, I like his playing (even if my favorite baritonist is Pepper), arranging and LOVE the CJB. To each his own. ← Bill Holman? Stoopid muzak! Bah! Big fan of Brookmeyer and Geru here... their music has a freshness that continues to be striking still today. Not your usual run-of-the-mill hardbop crap that those weird Germans in New York produced... you know, all those boring albums by overrated guys like Horace Silver, Art Blekey (sp?), Hank Mobley, Jackie McLean and all those other boring fellas.
mrjazzman Posted July 8, 2005 Author Report Posted July 8, 2005 Count me in as a Brookmeyer fan. I think his improvisations have a lot of continuity and good development of ideas, and he swings too. I'm really a fan of his arranging/composing though. He's definitely one of the heaviest in that area IMHO, up there with Bill Holman. Regarding Mulligan, I like his playing (even if my favorite baritonist is Pepper), arranging and LOVE the CJB. To each his own. ← Bill Holman? Stoopid muzak! Bah! Big fan of Brookmeyer and Geru here... their music has a freshness that continues to be striking still today. Not your usual run-of-the-mill hardbop crap that those weird Germans in New York produced... you know, all those boring albums by overrated guys like Horace Silver, Art Blekey (sp?), Hank Mobley, Jackie McLean and all those other boring fellas. ← you just mentioned four of the greatest names in jazz history, so you like sarcasm too, thats cool.......
king ubu Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 Count me in as a Brookmeyer fan. I think his improvisations have a lot of continuity and good development of ideas, and he swings too. I'm really a fan of his arranging/composing though. He's definitely one of the heaviest in that area IMHO, up there with Bill Holman. Regarding Mulligan, I like his playing (even if my favorite baritonist is Pepper), arranging and LOVE the CJB. To each his own. ← Bill Holman? Stoopid muzak! Bah! Big fan of Brookmeyer and Geru here... their music has a freshness that continues to be striking still today. Not your usual run-of-the-mill hardbop crap that those weird Germans in New York produced... you know, all those boring albums by overrated guys like Horace Silver, Art Blekey (sp?), Hank Mobley, Jackie McLean and all those other boring fellas. ← you just mentioned four of the greatest names in jazz history, so you like sarcasm too, thats cool....... ← To each his own... for me Mulligan and Pepper and Brookmeyer are just as much "great names" as Blakey and Silver and company!
Rosco Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 Have you heard any of the Mulligan Concert Jazz Band albums? ← no i haven't, think it would be a waste of my time, ive heard his playing and imo its the jazz equivilant(spelling) to elavator music. to lightweight, i like the heavy, intense, blusey hard bop playing of pepper adams, leo parker, ronnie cuber, charles davis ←
Tony Pusey Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 As usual, I´m with Ubybaby on this, the Brookmeyer select ,for me, was the MAJOR revelation of this series so far....
mrjazzman Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Posted July 9, 2005 as i've said before, i've heard mulligans playing, can't dig that lightweight approach. just got through listening to "The Tenor Scene" by The Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis-Johnny Griffin Quintet. Thats what i call jazz................
Dennis_M Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 I'm kind of surprised that all you guys have succumbed to mrjazzman's obvious taunting. He will say anything to get under your skin. Just stop responding and he'll go away. His positions are unreasonable and not worth debating.
jlhoots Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 I'm kind of surprised that all you guys have succumbed to mrjazzman's obvious taunting. He will say anything to get under your skin. Just stop responding and he'll go away. His positions are unreasonable and not worth debating. ← As I said earlier "troll". I just keep following the thread so I can be aggravated (or amused).
mrjazzman Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Posted July 9, 2005 I'm kind of surprised that all you guys have succumbed to mrjazzman's obvious taunting. He will say anything to get under your skin. Just stop responding and he'll go away. His positions are unreasonable and not worth debating. ← sometimes the truth hurts. a lot people have told the truth and been told they're unreasonable and not worth debating
mrjazzman Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Posted July 9, 2005 I'm kind of surprised that all you guys have succumbed to mrjazzman's obvious taunting. He will say anything to get under your skin. Just stop responding and he'll go away. His positions are unreasonable and not worth debating. ← no taunting here brother, just the hard to swallow truth
mrjazzman Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Posted July 9, 2005 I'm kind of surprised that all you guys have succumbed to mrjazzman's obvious taunting. He will say anything to get under your skin. Just stop responding and he'll go away. His positions are unreasonable and not worth debating. ← but here you are dennis, responding just like the rest, why.............
mrjazzman Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Posted July 9, 2005 call me names if you want, just be sure and call. bottom line is pepper 'the best post-bop alto player since bird' that guy was obviously smoking something or he dosen't have any records by mclean, adderley, stitt and the like . poor bob the valve guy, no one to really compare him to, not fare to metion the slide guys next to him, mulligan, come on guys and gals, do you really want to compare him to adams and parker and payne, that wouldn't be fare. i didn't realize there were so many hypocrits on this forum, you say my thread is 'worthless' yet you read and respond, you tell people to stop reponding by responding. sometimes it hurts when your heroes are exposed. i was hurt to no end to find out that superman couldn't fly and that wrestling was fake, i didn't say those three shouldn't be rated, i said they were overated.
mrjazzman Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Posted July 9, 2005 I'm kind of surprised that all you guys have succumbed to mrjazzman's obvious taunting. He will say anything to get under your skin. Just stop responding and he'll go away. His positions are unreasonable and not worth debating. ← its not good enough to say that a persons positions are unreasonable, you have to give examples, if you don't this renders your position unreasonable
kenny weir Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) For fuck's sake - it's not a freaking contest. Why do you feel the need to validate your own heroes/tastes by trashing other players. And FWIW, I loved hard bop long before I discovered the sheer pleasure of the three gents named in the title of this thread. Still do - including most of the people you've given thumbs-up to. Hard bop versus cool/whatever? Bah! I LOVE 'em BOTH - and lots more besides. Edited July 9, 2005 by kenny weir
Sundog Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 Starting reading this thread hoping to get some good recommendations on these artists. I guess it's not really that kind of thread. Lighten up my friend, life is way too short. Go listen to some Pepper Adams if that's what makes you happy. P.S. Perception is reality.......
BruceW Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) Time to end this thread.... mrjazzman has gotten all of you to do what he wanted you to do and that is...... to soothe his overinflated ego. He probably sits there with a jazz encyclopedia and throws out all these names, knowing nothing about any of them. For me, you simply cannot desecrate the names of Art Pepper, Gerry Mulligan and Bob Brookmeyer. They all have their place.... Without causing any unnecessary responses, one can only mention Stitt, Criss and Donaldson along side the name of Parker. Cannonball is great but he had the distinct advantage of studying and listening to the previously mentioned before he hit the scene. Kill this thread!!! Edited July 9, 2005 by BruceW
Guy Berger Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 You could put this thread in the dictionary under "troll". Guy
alankin Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 They can put a man on the moon, but they can't teach a troll how to spell.
sheldonm Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 They can put a man on the moon, but they can't teach a troll how to spell. ←
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