Kari S Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 What do we need to eliminate reasonable doubt? Video footage of the crime? Remember that R.Kelly guy? There was video footage of him allegedly having sex (and doing some more bizarre stuff) with an underaged girl. Also, the dude secretly married (the late) pop singer Aaliyah when she was 15. He was slapped with 21 counts of child molestation charges, all of which were dropped. (I think. At least he's a free and a very happy man.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 What do we need to eliminate reasonable doubt? Video footage of the crime? Remember that R.Kelly guy? There was video footage of him allegedly having sex (and doing some more bizarre stuff) with an underaged girl. Also, the dude secretly married (the late) pop singer Aaliyah when she was 15. He was slapped with 21 counts of child molestation charges, all of which were dropped. (I think. At least he's a free and a very happy man.) ← Yeah, he claimed that the guy in the video wasn't him... even though it was filmed in a room in his house! So maybe I was wrong with my previous post... even video footage doesn't eliminate reasonable doubt... Justice, celebrity style! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think the jury's decision was probably in large measure swayed by the crowd of pedophilia supporters whom they had to pass each day as they entered the court house. This is a jury that asked to be left alone, then conducted a press conference--this is a jury that went with the immediate flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Triumph at the Jackson Trial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think the jury's decision was probably in large measure swayed by the crowd of pedophilia supporters whom they had to pass each day as they entered the court house. This is a jury that asked to be left alone, then conducted a press conference--this is a jury that went with the immediate flow. ← Not guilty of *all* charges? Well done, folks! Here's your book deal! Jesus Juice all round! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMX Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Next celebrity to walk: Phil Spector, aka The Lion King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Next celebrity to walk: Phil Spector, aka The Lion King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Justice, celebrity style! ← That sums it up perfectly. Image counts more than reality. Hollywood Babylon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I wonder when we are going to start seeing California prosecutors request change of venue to a different state when attempting to convict a celebrity? I'm guessing it's not possible, but it sure seems like it's become necessary. ← Why not put them in an airplane, fly them to Afghanistan, and have some Bushy friends take care of them? They'd plead guilty in no time, and it would at least be an honest fraud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 (edited) Just another in a series of incredibly inept prosecutions. The ironic thing is that Jackson's own tax dollars help pay the salaries of these nincompoops. I'd say that amounts to a pretty solid investment in his own future. Another thought and them I'm done with this. I don't think any of us can even begin to comprehend the power of celebrity. The crowd of Jackson supporters outside the courtroom was dowright scary. These people are completely unable to judge Jackson objectively...all they can see is a pop star who at some point filled their incredibly empty lives with something they perceived as having real and lasting value. The fact that he's most likely a practicing pedophile is of no consequence to them. Something has gone seriously wrong in this country, and it's a helluva lot bigger than just Michael Jackson. Up over and out. Edited June 14, 2005 by Dave James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Triumph at the Jackson Trial ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 i heard michael's offered all the juror's children a weekend sleepover at his neverland crib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Jackson acquitted! Party at Chuck E. Cheese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownian Motion Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I have to agree. When the alleged victim and his family are almost professional milkers of the legal system, it's hard not to see reasonable doubt. I've said before, if the crime Jackson was being tried for was being weird, it would be a slam dunk. However, last I heard that wasn't a crime... ← This is exactly right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I have to agree. When the alleged victim and his family are almost professional milkers of the legal system, it's hard not to see reasonable doubt. I've said before, if the crime Jackson was being tried for was being weird, it would be a slam dunk. However, last I heard that wasn't a crime... ← This is exactly right. ← No, he was being tried for- let's just remind ourselves- *child molestation*! Not based solely on the testimony of the family but of several independant witnesses and supported by past history. Reasonable doubt my eye. If Jackson had been some schmoe living down the street from you or I he would be waking up this morning in a prison cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMX Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Something has gone seriously wrong in this country, and it's a helluva lot bigger than just Michael Jackson. ← Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 RT I would love to ignore something like that but considering that I work at a radio station that is a CNN news affiliate,it's difficult at best to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I have to agree. When the alleged victim and his family are almost professional milkers of the legal system, it's hard not to see reasonable doubt. I've said before, if the crime Jackson was being tried for was being weird, it would be a slam dunk. However, last I heard that wasn't a crime... ← This is exactly right. ← No, he was being tried for- let's just remind ourselves- *child molestation*! Not based solely on the testimony of the family but of several independant witnesses and supported by past history. Reasonable doubt my eye. If Jackson had been some schmoe living down the street from you or I he would be waking up this morning in a prison cell. ← My apologies; I was unaware of his past convictions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think that THESE charges were not accepted as true by the jury and they were dismissed. He may have been guilty of molestation, but so far he has never been found guilty in a court of law for molestation. In the sense that a jury found these charges unsupported and they were dismissed the system is working and I am glad it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 My apologies; I was unaware of his past convictions... ← Only because he bought himself out of any. He wasn't exactly exonerated last time out... as the judge acknowledged by allowing previous behavior to be used to establish a pattern of behaviour. I've had it wrong all this time. Jackson isn't made of plastic... it's TEFLON. NOTHING sticks to this MF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 My apologies; I was unaware of his past convictions... ← Only because he bought himself out of any. He wasn't exactly exonerated last time out... as the judge acknowledged by allowing previous behavior to be used to establish a pattern of behaviour. I've had it wrong all this time. Jackson isn't made of plastic... it's TEFLON. NOTHING sticks to this MF! ← He's the Teflon Pedophile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think that THESE charges were not accepted as true by the jury and they were dismissed. He may have been guilty of molestation, but so far he has never been found guilty in a court of law for molestation. In the sense that a jury found these charges unsupported and they were dismissed the system is working and I am glad it is. ← Exactly right, Lon. Here's what juror Ray Hultman had to say: "I feel that Michael Jackson probably has molested boys. I cannot believe that, after some of the testimony that was offered, I can't believe that this man could sleep in the same bedroom for 365 straight days and not do something more than watch television and eat popcorn. That doesn't make sense to me. But that doesn't make him guilty of the charges that were presented in this case, and that's where we had to make our decision." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 (edited) I think that THESE charges were not accepted as true by the jury and they were dismissed. He may have been guilty of molestation, but so far he has never been found guilty in a court of law for molestation. In the sense that a jury found these charges unsupported and they were dismissed the system is working and I am glad it is. ← I see NOTHING humorous in this situation. Michael (Once again)got away with playing with children's genitals. Children who will grow up scarred. They may never get over it. Perhaps they will continue the cycle, and molest other children themselves. Wonderful. More children WILL get molested by Michael in the coming years, child molesters never stop. In the news, you often hear about guys in their 70's still fucking little kids. Because the system does NOT work. I'm not glad about that...... Edited June 15, 2005 by BERIGAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Berigan, the smiley was for Moose's comment that he didn't know about the previous convictions. See there ARE NO PREVIOUS CONVICTIONS. You've just condemned a man outside of court for something no court has condemned him! That is NOT what our system of justice has done. Nor is it what it is designed to do. I'm glad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosco Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Berigan, the smiley was for Moose's comment that he didn't know about the previous convictions. See there ARE NO PREVIOUS CONVICTIONS. You've just condemned a man outside of court for something no court has condemned him! That is NOT what our system of justice has done. Nor is it what it is designed to do. I'm glad. ← Is your system of justice designed to allow the accused to escape prosecution if he has the funds to buy the silence of the accuser? If the system works, why does it feel like we've been played for a bunch of chumps? Again!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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