Bill Evans/Lee Konitz

[medjuck]

Anyone know about this?:

Bill Evans/Lee Konitz - Play The Arrangements Of Jimmy Giuffre (Lonehill Jazz 193) May 30

— 1959; with Warne Marsh, Hal McKusick, Jimmy Giuffre, Roy Haynes and Jim Hall; octets and nonets

I found this on Jazzmatazz and hitting the link to CDUniverse I learned that it's "digitally remastered".

According to the Bill Evans discography site (which I can't seem to access right now) it's a Konitz date. What's surprising is that it's from 1958. I thought sessions had to be 50 years old to get the Lonehill treatment. And is it really "digitally remastered"? Could they have legally obtained the master tapes? Does Lonehill do any completely legal releases?

Edited June 6, 2005 by medjuck

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Sounds very suspect.

Here's one:

Date: May 12 & 13, 1959

Location: Nola Studios, New York City

Label: Verve

Lee Konitz (ldr), Lee Konitz, Hal McKusick (as), Ted Brown, Warne Marsh (ts), Jimmy Giuffre (bar, arr), Bill Evans (p), Buddy Clark (b), Ronnie Free (d)

a. 22829-2 Moonlight In Vermont - 03:59 (Karl Suessdorf, John Blackburn)

b. 22830-10 The Song Is You - 05:05 (Jerome Kern, Oscar Hammerstein II)

c. 22831-11 Somp'm Outa Nothin' - 04:29 (Jimmy Giuffre)

d. 22832-31 Uncharted - 03:55 (Jimmy Giuffre)

e. 22833-33 Someone To Watch Over Me - 03:36 (George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin)

f. 22834-22 Palo Alto - 03:08 (Lee Konitz)

g. 22835-35 When Your Lover Has Gone - 05:02 (Einar A. Swan)

h. 22836-24 Cork 'n Bib - 09:50 (Lee Konitz)

i. 22837-28 Darn That Dream - 01:55 (Edgar DeLange, Jimmy Van Heusen)

All titles on: - Verve LP 12": MG VS-6073 - Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre

- Verve LP 12": MG V-8335 - Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre

- Verve CD: 314 527 780-2 - Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre (1996)

Omit Bill Evans (p) on i. Omit Buddy Clark (b) on i. Omit Ronnie Free (d) on i.

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and the other:

You and Lee: Lee Konitz Tentet:

Ernie Royal, Irving "Marky" Markowitz, Phil Sunkel (tp) Bob Brookmeyer, Eddie Bert, Billy Byers (tb) Lee Konitz (as) Bill Evans (p) Sonny Dallas (b) Roy Haynes (d) Jimmy Giuffre (arr,cond)

New York, October 29, 1959

22961-7 I'm getting sentimental over you Verve MGV8362, (Jap)J28J-25102 [CD]

22962-3 You don't know what love is - -

22963-2 I didn't know about you - - , Giants of Jazz (It)CD53182 [CD]

22964-3 Ev'rything I've got belongs to you - -

Mike

[couw]

so it's the four "bonus tracks" that elude. Jim Hall is hopefully involved somewhere, so it must be with these.

14. You're Driving Me Crazy (Bonus Track)

15. You're Clear Out Of This World (Bonus Track)

16. More I See You (Bonus Track)

17. You Are Too Beautiful (Bonus Track)

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Oh - I get it - take the whole premise of things and then don't follow it, ergo "Bill Evans with Lee Konitz" *without* Bill Evans.

Following up on the second entry I listed:

Eddie Bert, Bill Evans out, Jim Hall (g) added

New York, October 30, 1959

22965-11 You're clear out of this world Verve MGV8362, (Jap)J28J-25102 [CD]

22966-6 You are too beautiful - -

22967-1 The more I see you - -

22968-5 You're driving me crazy - - , Giants of Jazz (It)CD53182 [CD]

Note: Verve MGV8362(mono) = Verve MGVS6131(stereo).

All titles from Verve MGV8362 also on Verve (F)230444, (Jap)POCJ-2149 [CD], HMV (E)CLP1406, (E)CSD1331.

Mike

[couw]

Oh - I get it - take the whole premise of things and then don't follow it, ergo "Bill Evans with Lee Konitz" *without* Bill Evans.

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it seems you've nailed it. Skewed logic is a major part of the Lonehill series it seems.

Still, releasing Verve sides that did not yet have their 50th birthday seems very odd.

[JSngry]

The DstyGrv breakdown: http://www.dustygroove.com/jazzcd2.htm#384717

An amazing convergence of talents -- one that took place in 1959, for Verve Records, and which featured work by some of the greatest modernists of the late 50s! The CD features work from 2 different Verve albums -- Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre and You & Lee -- both of which features arrangements from Giuffre, then making big waves with his pianoless trio format for the label (and Atlantic) -- but who's working here in a larger setting that still showcases his marvelously fluid conception of sound. The first set features twin altos by Konitz and Hal McKusic, alongside tenors by Warne Marsh and Ted Brown, with baritone sax by Jimmy, and incredibly subtle piano work by Bill Evans. The next session features Giuffre taking an even stronger hand in arrangements, but letting Konitz step out even more as the lead soloist -- working within a larger horn group that features work by Billy Byers, Eddie Bert, and Ernie Royal. Bill Evans only plays on 4 of these tunes, with Jim Hall sliding in on guitar for the remainder -- but that shift is ok with us, as it only further displays the Giuffre magic at the time! 17 tracks in all -- with titles that include "Palo Alto", "Cork N Bib", "Uncharted", "Sompn Outa Nothin", "Darn That Dream", "I Didn't Know About You", "I'm Getting Sentimental Over You", and "You Are Too Beautiful".

So, is this the complete You & Lee album?

Frankly, I think Lonehill bites, but the longer some of this stuff sits on the shelves, the easier it is for the crooks to get a market, which in turn decreases the attractiveness of an eventual quality, legitimate issue.

A viscious circle, to be sure...

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Man, that logic does NOT apply here - note that my first listing shows the 1996 Verve CD issue "Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre". That 2-CD set was an EXCELLENT quality legitimate issue.

Mike

[JSngry]

Absolutely. A long-time favorite of mine, and value out the wazoo.

But what about You & Lee ?

The temptation to get this Lonehill issue to get that one is definitely there, but no - not gonna do it.

[Chuck Nessa]

Absolutely. A long-time favorite of mine, and value out the wazoo.

But what about You & Lee ?

The temptation to get this Lonehill issue to get that one is definitely there, but no - not gonna do it.

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FWIW "You and Lee" is one of the titles available for download on the Verve site.

[ghost of miles]

Absolutely. A long-time favorite of mine, and value out the wazoo.

But what about You & Lee ?

The temptation to get this Lonehill issue to get that one is definitely there, but no - not gonna do it.

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FWIW "You and Lee" is one of the titles available for download on the Verve site.

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Yep--Chuck beat me to it. That's the route I'm going to choose, eventually.

[JSngry]

I did not know that, but now I do, and that is news I can use.

Merci!

[brownie]

'You and Lee' was reissued on vinyl by Verve France back in vinyl days. I'll stick to that reissue! One of those albums that turned me on to Konitz.

[wolff]

Mint vinyl 2nd pressings go for $10-20, screw Lonehill....FWIW

Edited June 7, 2005 by wolff

[Bluerein]

Of course You and Lee was reissued in Japan on CD (POCJ-2149) in 1991. I might be able to get the copy which is (was) still in the store I work for if someone is interested (not cheap though).

[king ubu]

Can't dubya send over some of those stealth birds to annihilate Lonehill? I would *so* love to get some Giuffre and Konitz on Mosaic, but this kind of cheapo release (that Swiss stores have the audacity to sell at full prizes, not nice prize, even if that would already be too much) is what will probably keep them from doing it...

That 2CD set mentioned is indeed a terrific one! Get that instead!

[jazzbo]

The Verve Vault download of "You and Lee" is highly recommended. It is a beautiful sounding digital clone of the former Japanes cd, complete with "POCN" on the cover image!