Thelonious Monk question

[bertrand]

I was looking at the iTunes database to see how much I was missing by owning the older version of Criss Cross (Columbia) without the bonus tracks.

I saw that there are three bonus cuts (including the seldom-played 'Coming On The Hudson'), but I noticed something else: the version of 'Think Of One' on my CD is 5:18, but the iTunes database claims that the track is 6:04 in the remastered version.

Was there an edit in the previous version? Does the new CD say anything about this?

Thanks in advance,

Bertrand.

[Chuck Nessa]

No mention of "expanding" the track in the cd booklet. The listed timing is 6:05 and the music actually stops at about 6:00.

[brownie]

On the Columbia vinyl original (stereo CS8838) 'Think of One' clocks in at 5:17

[couw]

no long drum solos or other obvious targets for the scissors on the 6:05 version.

[Harold_Z]

Corrected tape speed ?

[bertrand]

Very strange...

I'll try to listen to the new version and A/B to my CD and see what the difference is. Or maybe Chris Sheridan has an idea.

Bertrand.

[DrJ]

Harold_Z Posted May 30 2005, 06:16 PM

  Corrected tape speed ?

If a tape speed correction has resulted in the track length being extended by around 40 seconds, then the earlier version must have sounded like "THE CHIP-MONKS!!!"

Edited June 3, 2005 by DrJ

[bertrand]

I listened to the version of 'Think Of One' from the old Criss Cross CD (5:20 approximately). I noticed that it starts with a very brief (2-3 second) bass intro. Could this be an edited version of a 40-second bass intro?

If not, then I will post a breakdown of the tune (length of head and solos) to try to see if anyone with the new version can catch the difference.

Just because the new one doesn't talk about an edit doesn't mean it wasn't there. The remastered version of Monk. does not mention that it is Butch Warren, not Larry Gales, on 'Teo' (3/9/64).

Bertrand.

[Chuck Nessa]

I listened to the version of 'Think Of One' from the old Criss Cross CD (5:20 approximately).  I noticed that it starts with a very brief (2-3 second) bass intro.  Could this be an edited version of a 40-second bass intro?

If not, then I will post a breakdown of the tune (length of head and solos) to try to see if anyone with the new version can catch the difference.

Just because the new one doesn't talk about an edit doesn't mean it wasn't there.  The remastered version of Monk. does not mention that it is Butch Warren, not Larry Gales, on 'Teo' (3/9/64).

Bertrand.

←

Bass plays 8 notes before the band hits on the cd version - about 3 seconds.

[bertrand]

Thanks Chuck.

So we're not dealing with an edited opening bass solo. I listened to the tune in the subway on the way home. The breakdown is as follows:

Bass intro: 0:00-0:02

Head: 0:02-0:48

Tenor sax solo: 0:48-2:19

Piano solo: 2:19-4:31

Head: 4:31-5:22

I thought I might have heard a splice during the tenor solo, so perhaps that's where the edit is. Since his solo is shorter than Monk's, he either took one less chorus (which is plausible since Monk is the leader) or one chorus was edited out. Alternatively, maybe there is a bass solo after piano solo which was edited out.

Thanks in advance,

Bertrand.

P.S. I didn't count the number of choruses for each solo because the subway was too damn crowded - I couldn't concentrate enough, and these things are not instinctive for me, I have to count the beats.

Edited June 9, 2005 by bertrand

[Jim Dye]

Your hunch was correct, Bertrand. It is the Tenor solo that was edited on the old CD. The remaster restores the first chorus.

THINK OF ONE (ORIGINAL 1993 CD ISSUE)

THINK OF ONE (2003 REMASTER)

Here are a couple of low quality MP3's so you can hear the difference.

FIRST CHORUS

...and here is the first chorus of Rouse's solo.

Edited June 9, 2005 by Jim Dye

[bertrand]

Thanks Jim, this fits perfectly. The missing 48 seconds are solved.

Why on earth is it not mentioned on the new CD that this version is uncut?

Bertrand.