Guest akanalog Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 jag, i could not disagree with you more re: the original shit versus today's stuff. however, different tastes i guess. oops, i see the original return to forever on ECM was already recommended prior to my posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 well i will say one more thing- you are right i guess people can be nostalgiac and a lot of the fusion put out in the 70s (and 60s and 80s) was stinky, but there is also a tendency for people to like new stuff because it is new. whether it is easier for people to connect with music that is being imagined concurrently to their existence or they can go see live when it passes through their town or it is just easier to find out about new stuff because it is nicer and shinier at the store and on your friend's tongue, it is an equally valid pitfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 A lot of what WR did was pretentious. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnagrandy Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 akanalog, right here right now vs nostalgia definitely plays a role ... but maybe it's more complex. Somebody earlier up said it all ended up getting bogged down in chops. That's part of what I think. Late 60s early 70s ... plugging-in had a compelling, no, more than a compelling, an irresistable motivation. 'Cause maybe you could say something that you hadn't been able to say before. The attraction of the unknown. A new world. Today, so much time has passed. Almost 4 decades. The younger musicians I like seem to have come up not feeling compelled to amass enormous chops. Some of them have got them anyway. But primarily what they've done is absorb and internalize a vast amount of music from many genres and eras and world regions and are adding interesting angles and dimensions to the best of what's come before. It's this melding that's producing the innovation today. That's today's new world. Another little piece: almost everyone looks to have discarded the lame synth sounds. Anyone with any talent on the electic side has raw sound as a central focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 i think everyone on this board would generally agree the "chops" oriented stuff, no matter what era, sucks! if that is all you are hearing in a lot of older fusion i think you are missing something. you were hyping some '75 miles in an earlier thread. i don't think mike henderson and reggie lucas are "chops" dudes, do you? and i also remember discussing charlie hunter in a thread and i would say that at least half his appeal comes from his "chops". not that this matters-different tastes..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 also in 20 years i bet people are saying the same stuff about scott amendola you are saying about weather report, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 i think everyone on this board would generally agree the "chops" oriented stuff, no matter what era, sucks! if that is all you are hearing in a lot of older fusion i think you are missing something. you were hyping some '75 miles in an earlier thread. i don't think mike henderson and reggie lucas are "chops" dudes, do you? and i also remember discussing charlie hunter in a thread and i would say that at least half his appeal comes from his "chops". not that this matters-different tastes..... Can we all agree that music with no "chops" sucks, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnagrandy Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 also in 20 years i bet people are saying the same stuff about scott amendola you are saying about weather report, etc. You're probably right. Anyway it doesn't really matter 'cause I went to those WR shows and had a great time. But I don't like to listen to WR anymore. I guess what finally did it for me on the fusion side was all that thumb-popping bass. That's when I went pure acoustic for years and years. BTW, I'm not talking about anything approx up to date of Miles' retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I just bought Hym of the Seventh Galaxy by Return to Forever. I was kind of turned off. It was very heavy, You like the Elektric Band, but are turned off by Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy? Weird. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't really like the Elektric band anymore. My tastes move rapidly. I don't call my self a fusion fan. I'm no Weather Report fan, neither the hard stuff Tony Williams was putting out. I'm more into newer jazz artists, where the drummer does some back beat things, but doesn't forget about swinging. I need variety in my music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't really like the Elektric band anymore. My tastes move rapidly. I don't call my self a fusion fan. I'm no Weather Report fan, neither the hard stuff Tony Williams was putting out. I'm more into newer jazz artists, where the drummer does some back beat things, but doesn't forget about swinging. I need variety in my music. what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnagrandy Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't really like the Elektric band anymore. My tastes move rapidly. I don't call my self a fusion fan. I'm no Weather Report fan, neither the hard stuff Tony Williams was putting out. I'm more into newer jazz artists, where the drummer does some back beat things, but doesn't forget about swinging. I need variety in my music. what? I gave him some of what I'm on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 no JAG, his comment just didn't make any sense to me but he said it with such conviction it made it even more confusing. his comment was funny but weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnagrandy Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 no JAG, his comment just didn't make any sense to me but he said it with such conviction it made it even more confusing. his comment was funny but weird. He was messing with me. A sly cat that Jazz Kat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 does anyone know what kind of keyboards chick liked to play in the 80s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 This is a funny thread. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 chick corea: a complete fraud. the fact he was on a donald byrd record sickens me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 2006...man...that was the year when people were throwing down meaningful manifestoes regarding their fusion tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 chick corea: a complete fraud. the fact he was on a donald byrd record sickens me He was also on several Blue Mitchell and Herbie Mann records. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 chick corea: a complete fraud. the fact he was on a donald byrd record sickens me He was also on several Blue Mitchell and Herbie Mann records. Guy Corea was also on Richard Davis' "Philosophy of the Spiritual". I think that Corea is not a complete fraud, but that few artists with the talent he sometimes exhibits have released so many sub-par albums. He's inconsistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 chewy, that isn't fair. he got into some bad stuff and it turned him into kind of a loser eventually. but he had some good points...well whatever i never really loved that much that corea was selling-i liked his post-bop piano ("now he sings.." but it quickly got too loose and cold for me...i liked the OG return to forever concept but it got a little fey quickly...i liked the next (connors) return to forver but that became dimeolaized quickly...bits and blurps since then (his playing on "relaxin at camarillo"?) his music with miles i didn't enjoy so much once dejohnette and airto came onboard... but he wasn't a fraud. maybe he was a weak-minded idiot? but i don't think "fraud" is right... or do you mean because he was from boston and not from some latin place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) chewy, that isn't fair. he got into some bad stuff and it turned him into kind of a loser eventually. but he had some good points...well whatever i never really loved that much that corea was selling-i liked his post-bop piano ("now he sings.." but it quickly got too loose and cold for me...i liked the OG return to forever concept but it got a little fey quickly...i liked the next (connors) return to forver but that became dimeolaized quickly...bits and blurps since then (his playing on "relaxin at camarillo"?) his music with miles i didn't enjoy so much once dejohnette and airto came onboard... but he wasn't a fraud. maybe he was a weak-minded idiot? but i don't think "fraud" is right... or do you mean because he was from boston and not from some latin place? I'm kind of surprised you are taking the chewy comment seriously... edit: I largely agree with the Dip's comments except that I really like the Miles bands w/DeJohnette & Corea. Guy Edited May 24, 2007 by Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 funny to see this thread up again on the day I bought another disc that I guess jazzkat should have tasted if he was still around: I quite agree with the alias-changing-one's assessment of Corea, though obviously I don't know that much about RTF (only original one for me, so far, but I haven't had an opportunity to check out later editions). One more recent (1981...) release I enjoy a lot is the Montreux "eat carrots" gig with Joe Hen, Gary Peacock and Haynes - a mighty fine live set! I also found this one recently, but it's not as good as "Now He Sings...": Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 guy, i could see one seeing corea as a fraud...i mean he did TOTALLY SELL OUT for dubious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 But even in his sell-out moves Corea was also inconsistent. I listened to all of the DiMeola RTF albums last year, for the first time in years. I found "Where Have I Known You Before" and "No Mystery" to contain some interesting, fine cuts, and some dull stuff. I found "Romantic Warrior" to be a complete snooze-fest from start to finish. Why did I ever like it? I thought that his Origin band was pretty good, and had real promise as a continuing unit, even if personnel changes would have been necessary over time--but then he dropped it, and to do what? I can't get a handle on how Corea plans his career, or views himself as an artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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