Carmell Jones Pacific Jazz 45

[Dan Gould]

I found a website listing a Carmell Jones/Harold Land PJ 45, "Blues March." Checking the Mosaic Select, I saw that "Sad March" appeared on the Remarkable Carmell Jones album, so I emailed the store and they confirmed that its a Carmell Jones composition. I wrote back that it must be a mistake on the label, that "Sad March" somehow became "Blues March" and now they've responded by saying "definitely Blues March."

Is it possible that the group recorded "Blues March" for a single release? I'm thinking that the guy has no idea what "Blues March" sounds like, he's just saying that the label definitely says "Blues March" but I figured I'd put it up here and see what you folks know.

Thanks

[JohnS]

Curious, Lord says Blues March is on the same lp issue as Sad March. Maybe a miss-titling somewhere along the line.

Edited May 16, 2005 by JohnS

[Dan Gould]

Then maybe it is "Blues March" after all, but why would composer credit be given to Carmell?

[Michael Fitzgerald]

This site has information that contradicts Lord about the contents of PJ 29. It also says that Sad March and Blues March are the same thing.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/condouant/carmell1.html

Mike

[mikeweil]

Maybe they changed the title after learning about Benny Golson's Blues March?

When was this first recorded/copyrighted and when was the Jones/Land recorded?

[Michael Fitzgerald]

There's about a three year difference 1958 (Golson) to 1961 (Jones). Can't really say whether the single came out before the LP or after - but maybe Blues March on the single was just an error someone made.

Mike

[Bill Fenohr]

I have the Remarkable lp. There is Sad March, but no Blues March. I also looked at the compulations i have, which sometimes have unissued tunes and i find no Blues March.

Label errors on PJ product was pretty common.

[Spontooneous]

I snagged the 45 on eBay a few months back. The label does say "Blues March" but attributes the tune to Carmell. It also says "From LP album PJ-29 THE REMARKABLE CARMELL JONES."

I've been meaning to compare this side (2:43) to the "Sad March" on the LP, but don't have the time today. I've always secretly hoped this was a different take, but I doubt it. I'll report back.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Please do - the Mosaic site shows the album track to be 5:46, so at worst that track was edited down to 2:43. Perhaps it's the "part 1" of the split promo single shown on the site I mentioned above.

Mike

[DMP]

There was an edited version of the song on a double LP Pacific Jazz anthology which contained (mostly) edited versions of material from their whole catalog to that point. ("Prime Cuts?" Early '60's.)) My introduction to some good music, and I always enjoyed getting the original albums and hearing what I'd missed.

[P.D.]

There was an edited version of the song on a double LP Pacific Jazz anthology which contained (mostly) edited versions of material from their whole catalog to that point.  ("Prime Cuts?"  Early '60's.))  My introduction to some good music, and I always enjoyed getting the original albums and hearing what I'd missed.

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THE Jones " Blues March" is indeed an edited version of " Sad March"

I don't have the 45 but do have the double LP described by DMP and strongly suspect the 45 is the edited track from it.

What was the "b" side of the 45?

[JohnS]

The "b" side, I'm gonna go fishin'. Just a guess but the Lord entry seems to suggest it.

Edited May 19, 2005 by JohnS

[Dan Gould]

The "b" side, I'm gonna go fishin'.  Just a guess but the Lord entry seems to suggest it.

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Actually, according to the Carmell site Mike Fitzgerald linked above, I'm Gonna Go Fishing is the A side, "Blues March" was the B side.

Strange too that the site lists "Sad March Part 1" and Sad March Part 2" as the other 45s that were issued from The Remarkable Carmell Jones. Maybe they stuck one of the two Sad March edits onto the flip side simply because they'd already edited it down?

Maybe they changed the title so that it wasn't clear that they were selling two 45s but only three tracks, so people would buy the "Fishin" 45 and think they were getting a new song?

[Michael Fitzgerald]

The part 1 & 2 Sad March single was not a 45, but a 33 and at least according to that site promo only. I'm Gonna Go Fishin' must have been edited for the 45 issue since Mosaic lists it as running 11:13 on the album. Maybe someone could confirm that's just an edit, not a different take.

Mike

[Dan Gould]

Oops, my bad.

[Bill Fenohr]

PJ had all kinds of crazy stuff out back then. I dont have it anymore, but i had what i remember was an EP of the Gerald Wilson band rehearsing tunes from either the Moment Of Truth or Portraits date. I dont remember now if there was a complete song on the EP or not. I wish i still had that.

[JSngry]

That's wild!

Was it actually rehearsal takes, Bill, or album excerpts edited to resemble a rehearsal?

[Bill Fenohr]

Im think it was a rehearsal. I kind of remember a track where you hear Gerald say "reeds,take it from letter B",or something to that effect. Then you hear the reed section alone playing down that section. I think he may have stopped them,explained something and they go again. Remember now, these are forty some years ago memories.

For the guys with the discos,is there any mention of a Gerald Wilson EP?

[Chuck Nessa]

From Bruyninckx:

Lew McCreary (tb) Dave Dyson (b) replace Robinson, Vinnegar, Bud Shank (fl-1) added and Modesto Duran out

Los Angeles, January 8, 1964

Aram Pacific Jazz PJ80, CDP7.93414-2

Caprichos (1) - , - , A-100

Eric - , - , B-100

Note : Entire session on Mosaic MD5-198 (CD). Pacific Jazz PJ80 = ST80.

Pacific Jazz A-100/B-100 is a 45 -33 RPM edited single with studio chatter and section rehearsals. The master tape of these rehearsal sequences are lost.

[Bill Fenohr]

Thanks Chuck, i guess im not ready for the Home just yet.

[JSngry]

So, the section rehearsals are or are not on the Mosaic?

I'm thinking not?

[DMP]

No rehearsals on the Mosaic. But you do get that actor who played "Blacula" doing his Rex Harrison imitation.

[Kyo]

The Jones " Blues March" is indeed an edited version of " Sad March"

The Lonehill Jazz set "The Complete Harold Land/Carmell Jones Quintets"

includes Blues March ("First time on CD!"), which is indeed just an edit of

Sad March. They claim the piece was written by Benny Golson anyway...

Idiots.