Guest akanalog Posted May 10, 2005 Report Posted May 10, 2005 i was thinking about jon faddis today because people always did and do say what a great player he is-amazing range and tone, etc etc. but i was thinking that i have never heard of an album by him that anyone has ever though was anything so great or worth owning. so this made me think-who are some musicians who never made the album you hoped they would. i know a bit ago there was some talk about jimmy lyons never making THE album he should have, but his body of work stands up and some of his albums are pretty nice even if they aren't mind blowing classics. so anyway, does anyone have any musicians to add? i guess i sort of think of joe pass here just because he spent so much time with the solo stuff (which doesn't do anything for me though i know it is impressive) he never made a group album which blew me away. another example, and this is obvious, but i wish james spaulding had cut a blue note record around 1967-even if lion and wolff insisted he throw on some "sidewinder"-esque stuff. i mean, i am sure his take on that genre would have been worth hearing. johnny dyani is another musician i really want to like but none of his albums quite make it for me. many of them are very nice, but nothing reaches the heights i had hoped for. graham collier is someone i have been listening to a lot lately-and a lot of his albums are good to great but none of them jump over that barrier into my top echelon even though the ingredients-the cast of musicians and the instrumentation and the years of recording-all seem to equal great albums. Quote
Dan Gould Posted May 10, 2005 Report Posted May 10, 2005 This isn't quite what you're after, I don't think, but I'll always regret the fact that Grant Green and Gene Harris never made a recording worthy of release. Two masters of the blues, you'd wish they'd done their thing together - it would have made a tremendous match with Blue Hour, IMO. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted May 10, 2005 Report Posted May 10, 2005 no hey that is a good one. i mean in the same vein, i wish that pharoah sanders and john patton had a release which represented their collaboration in the late 60s (or is it early 70s). i read they had a trio with george edward brown which i would certainly be interested in hearing. and maybe the drummer was clifford jarvis? either way, wish i could hear some of this material. same with john patton's jamming with sun ra. i would like to hear what that sounded like. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted May 10, 2005 Report Posted May 10, 2005 I don't really get this. I guess you have to have heard every single cut from an artist to find out if they never made an album you really love. I'll say Herbie Mann. Or at least from what I've heard already. Quote
mikeweil Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 James Spaulding came to my mind, too - a semi-free album in the late 1960's for Blue Note would have been the thing. Dtto. for Joe Chambers and Julian Priester! Quote
Jazz Kat Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Oh, I just thought of great one. AL HIRT. Sometimes his stuff gets me out of a slum, but if he played some real complex jazz, it'd be so awesome. His skills were tremendous! Quote
Johnny E Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) Tyrone Washington could have made a phenomenal album. Natural Essence hints at what he was capable of but he tried to push the funky thing a little too much. The Hendrix/Miles recording that was in the works would have been nice. Fela with an allstar jazz line-up would have been nice too...Imagine Fela with Louis Moholo, Johnny Dyani, Chris McGregor, Archie Shepp, Roswell Rudd, Lester Bowie and Roy Ayers! Edited May 11, 2005 by Johnny E Quote
PHILLYQ Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 The Hendrix/Miles recording that was in the works would have been nice. Or the Gil Evans/Hendrix that was supposed to happen. Quote
White Lightning Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Sonny Stitt. He has many good to excellent albums, but he never made THE album. Another one that comes to mind but in a totally different way is Ronnie Cuber. That dude is awesome live and somehow his albums are much less... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Kalaparusha would be a major one like that for me, but I'd also say Jimmy Lyons, Booker Little, and even Jaki Byard (tho Jaki Byard Experience comes awful close). Good question, AK. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 James Spaulding came to my mind, too - a semi-free album in the late 1960's for Blue Note would have been the thing. Dtto. for Joe Chambers and Julian Priester! Too true for all three. And what about the three of them together, with Bob Cranshaw and Charles Tolliver? Quote
Jazzmoose Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Sonny Stitt. He has many good to excellent albums, but he never made THE album. I dunno; that double package Endgame Brilliance is good enough for me. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 great call with jaki byard! i always "want" to like his albums more than i actually end up doing. however-i think priester's two ECMs, to me, qualify as a satisfying though small body of work i can enjoy and respect. more would have been great-but to me, priester has done enough to avoid consideration here. also i thnk stitt has a bad batting average overall, but he has made some very nice sessions. my personal favorite would be that "stitt plays bird" album for atlantic. Quote
Brownian Motion Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Ralph Burns. The guy was a terrific pianist, composer and arranger, but somehow he never became a major player in jazz. Quote
Chrome Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 A little tangential perhaps, but I've often wondered where Clifford Brown would have taken his music if he had lived longer ... Quote
Jazz Kat Posted May 15, 2005 Report Posted May 15, 2005 Parliament. Turn your radio to W-F-U-N-k!!! Quote
Soul Stream Posted May 15, 2005 Report Posted May 15, 2005 Gloria Coleman. Although I love her stuff. I've never felt her talents have been fully exploited on wax. Wish someone would record in the right way now as I think she's in very, very good form. Also, although Too Damn Hot comes very, very close as does Lenox And 7th. I think a present day live recording of Dr. Lonnie Smith might be one of the best jazz organ records ever made. It's not been done yet, but SHOULD. I've e-mailed Palmetto that they HAVE to do it. But no reply. Let's just hope they're smart enough to record Lonnie on a good 3 day stand somewhere soon. And even though this is off center, a live record of Lou Donaldson's LONGTIME woking group with Lonnie, Fukushi and Randy would be damn good. Too bad nobody's recording that. Stupid record companies. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted May 15, 2005 Report Posted May 15, 2005 Everytime I re-read this, I think of something else. From the little I've heard of them, The Jazz Crusaders. Nice, but not great. I still gotta check more of em' out. Quote
Matthew Posted May 15, 2005 Report Posted May 15, 2005 (edited) I've always been sad that Gerge Benson was never able to nail down a great jazz record that he was/is capable of doing. I guess "cross-over" music pays the bills, but still, the guy does have monster chops, but he's never got it down over a full record. Edited May 15, 2005 by Matthew Quote
clifford_thornton Posted May 15, 2005 Report Posted May 15, 2005 I think Stitt is a motherfucker on that Art Blakey "A Jazz Message" date on Impulse. Great record, quartet with McCoy Tyner and Art Davis. Quote
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