Jazz Kat Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 It's not like he just said, "I'm not a fan of Newk," or "It's not my tastes." But he's dissed three of my favorite and three of the most vitol jazz innovators of the 20th century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Okay, I can imagine a top 20 saxophonists list that leaves out either Dexter, Newk, or Desmond. But not all three. Who IS in your top 20? And calling Desmond, even at his most laid back, "Bachelor Pad Music," is like calling Steely Dan "Soft Rock." Those designations speak to context, perhaps, but not to content. The subversive genius of both Desmond and Becker & Fagan is that they got over to the general public with little or no compromise, their slick surface manner concealing their thorny matter. Had Desmond played with Tristano rather than Brubeck, say, or Steely Dan eschewed L.A., they'd be revered by the fringe-meisters. That being said, a lot of later Evans leaves me cold, too. But I don't make a crusade of it. And I'm open to revising my opinion at a later date. Live and learn, kid. Live and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 That being said, a lot of later Evans leaves me cold, too. Geez, I'm most attracted to very early and very late Evans. The rest gives me "heebie jeebies". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 And I must add that NOBODY except a few odd friends told me to like jazz when I started listening to it in the late 1970s when I was in high school. They mostly told me to like what is now called "Classic Rock." All those mediocre bands that I still have to hear every day where I work: Bachman Turner Overdrive, Boston, latter-day Floyd, Foreigner, Peter fucking Frampton, and KISS for god's sake. This is classic? Give me the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, or The Who any day; or better still, give me Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Stevie Wonder, or P-Funk. Why don't "Classic Rock" stations play THEM? I guess because they're good and/or black. Seriously, what DO you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 (Chuck Nessa, May 9 2005, 09:51 PM) Geez, I'm most attracted to very early and very late Evans. The rest gives me "heebie jeebies". By "later Evans" I meant anything after the early-to-mid 1960s. I've heard many speak of a late-life renaiassance for Evans, and I need to investigate that. What are his best late recordings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Ya reckon? Yep! He (she?) always has been... here, and on every other board I've encountered him/her. Ah well, I'll just take Chuck's advice from now on... Cheers, Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 (Chuck Nessa, May 9 2005, 09:51 PM) Geez, I'm most attracted to very early and very late Evans. The rest gives me "heebie jeebies". By "later Evans" I meant anything after the early-to-mid 1960s. I've heard many speak of a late-life renaiassance for Evans, and I need to investigate that. What are his best late recordings? Try this one; a favorite of mine: YOU MUST BELIEVE IN SPRING" WARNER BROS. RECORDS (Rhino) R2-73719 BILL EVANS- Piano EDDIE GOMEZ- Bass ELIOT ZIGMUND- Drums Recorded August 1977 Produced by Helen Keane and Tommy LiPuma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyJazz Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 (Chuck Nessa, May 9 2005, 09:51 PM) Geez, I'm most attracted to very early and very late Evans. The rest gives me "heebie jeebies". By "later Evans" I meant anything after the early-to-mid 1960s. I've heard many speak of a late-life renaiassance for Evans, and I need to investigate that. What are his best late recordings? Try this one; a favorite of mine: YOU MUST BELIEVE IN SPRING" WARNER BROS. RECORDS (Rhino) R2-73719 BILL EVANS- Piano EDDIE GOMEZ- Bass ELIOT ZIGMUND- Drums Recorded August 1977 Produced by Helen Keane and Tommy LiPuma That indeed is a terrific album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Well, I think it is refreshing to see a good dose of dissing. If we think everything is excellent and every last splat on a flawed outtake is worth preserving, then we can't easily move on and we aren't really interest in music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Well, I think it is refreshing to see a good dose of dissing. A good dose of dissing is a far cry from a blanket condemnation by someone who clearly doesn't know anything and just wants to stir things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robviti Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 A good dose of dissing is a far cry from a blanket condemnation by someone who clearly doesn't know anything and just wants to stir things up. in that case, might i recommend this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Wasn't Bill Evans that junkie guy? Paul Desmond is not jazz. He's worse than Kenny G! donkey-ass moron (or how does that saying go?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 days of wine and roses, for example. a tune that people usually play in a lush, relaxed manner. he rushes through it like he's going to die the next year. (1) It's problematic that he played it differently than the way it's usually played? (2) "...as if he's going to die the next year." Uh... yeah. Irony intentional there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 days of wine and roses, for example. a tune that people usually play in a lush, relaxed manner. he rushes through it like he's going to die the next year. (1) It's problematic that he played it differently than the way it's usually played? I'm so glad Brötzelmeister never tackled that tune! It would be all over in those shopping malls, no escape! Brötzmann is the *worst* in easy listening smooth jazz! Proof! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clandy44 Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Nice review of a recent biography of Paul in the latest JR. Who knew the chicks couldn't leave him alone? Maybe that's why his tone was so dry.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Bill Evans can play no jozz! And Charlie Parker is not jazz; just overrated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Dissing Desmond and Bill Evans here, while nothing like the offense of the skinheads up in Boston yesterday, it does seem like a similar type of provocation. Sensational untruths, a new thread perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l p Posted May 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 if only 5% of the people replying to this thread would reply to my 'looking for' items, and be able to supply them, i'd have some cool oop stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 if only 5% of the people replying to this thread would reply to my 'looking for' items, and be able to supply them, i'd have some cool oop stuff. Too bad for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) if only 5% of the people replying to this thread would reply to my 'looking for' items, and be able to supply them, i'd have some cool oop stuff. I guess over 95% must be turned off by your posting record of being an abrasive dickhead. I know I was when you approached me a couple of years back about some Jaco tapes I had played on the radio. Edited May 11, 2005 by Big Wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I think Len is upset that none of the Canadian board members offered to go to the video store on his behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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