Art Ensemble of Chicago: The Pathe Sessions

[Kreilly]

I just received "Americans Swinging in Paris" from Caiman and although the cd appeared to be sealed, the inlay was missing. There is a slot where the inlay booklet should be but it's not there. I just want to know the session info for this cd. Is this just a twofer containing "Les Stances a Sophie" and 'People in Sorrow"? I have "Les Stances a Sophie" and it has 8 tracks:

1. Theme De Yoyo

2. Theme De Celine

3. Variations Sur Un Theme De Monteverdi (i)

4. Variations Sur Un Theme De Monteverdi (ii)

5. Proverbes (i)

6. Theme Amour Universal

7. Theme Libre

8. Proverbes (ii)

"Americans Swinging in Paris" has the following tracklisting:

1. Theme de Yo-Yo

2. Thème de Céline

3. Variations Sur un Thème de Monteverdi (I, II, III)

4. Thème de l'Amour Universel

5. Proverbes (I, II, III)

6. Thème "Libre"

7. People in Sorrow, Pt. 1

8. People in Sorrow, Pt. 2

Can someone clarify this? Is "Sophie" just arranged differently?

Kevin

[gslade]

I ordered this about a week ago

I am sure someone else will post the info

but if not I will when I recieve it (should be any day)

cant wait to here the music

[rostasi]

Hope this helps!

Large sized so you can make

your own booklet:

pgs 1/2

pgs 3/4

pgs 5/6

cover Front/Back

1000 posts! Woo Hoo!

(outta here...)

[jazzbo]

Hey, that was very nice of you!

[GregK]

"Americans Swinging in Paris" has the following tracklisting:

1. Theme de Yo-Yo

2. Thème de Céline

3. Variations Sur un Thème de Monteverdi (I, II, III)

4. Thème de l'Amour Universel

5. Proverbes (I, II, III)

6. Thème "Libre"

7. People in Sorrow, Pt. 1

8. People in Sorrow, Pt. 2

This is the edition I have. Mine came with a booklet, and is comprised of Les Stances a Sophie (with Fontella Bass and Don Moye), paired with People in Sorrow. And, it is excellent. All of it.

[Chuck Nessa]

I just received "Americans Swinging in Paris" from Caiman and although the cd appeared to be sealed, the inlay was missing. There is a slot where the inlay booklet should be but it's not there. I just want to know the session info for this cd. Is this just a twofer containing "Les Stances a Sophie" and 'People in Sorrow"? I have "Les Stances a Sophie" and it has 8 tracks:

Since you have "Sophie" you should be able to figure it out. Nothing new and nothing missing on the current EMI lp dubs.

[Kreilly]

I'm a novice on a lot of this. Why are they LP dubs? Are they pirated?

Kevin

[Chuck Nessa]

EMI evidently lost the masters to "Sophie" and all cd issues of it are lp dubbings.

[GregK]

EMI evidently lost the masters to "Sophie" and all cd issues of it are lp dubbings.

how do you lose something like that??

[Chuck Nessa]

Don't have a clue. I still have the tapes they sent me in 1970. B-)

[GregK]

Don't have a clue. I still have the tapes they sent me in 1970. B-)

Didn't People in Sorrow originally come out on Nessa? So wouldn't you have the tapes anyway? Or are you just talking about "Sophie"?

[RDK]

Don't have a clue. I still have the tapes they sent me in 1970. B-)

Do the tapes sound better than the LPs? Would you loan them out if they asked you?

[Chuck Nessa]

The AEC told French EMI to contact me since Capitol didn't want to issue the records in the US. I signed a contract (in perpetuity) with them and they sent me copies of the masters.

In the mid '80s when I was at the bottom of my financial life, Cuscuna asked if I'd relinquish my rights so BN could issue the stuff and I agreed. I thought the guys could make some bucks. Nothing was issued.

I still have the tapes and they don't.

Since they made me pay for the tapes, if they ever understand I have 'em they have to buy 'em back.

[RDK]

The AEC told French EMI to contact me since Capitol didn't want to issue the records in the US. I signed a contract (in perpetuity) with them and they sent me copies of the masters.

In the mid '80s when I was at the bottom of my financial life, Cuscuna asked if I'd relinquish my rights so BN could issue the stuff and I agreed. I thought the guys could make some bucks. Nothing was issued.

I still have the tapes and they don't.

Since they made me pay for the tapes, if they ever understand I have 'em they have to buy 'em back.

Ain't the music biz a kick in the head?

[Chuck Nessa]

Did I say something you disagree with?

[RDK]

No, not all Chuck. Just commenting on a record company choosing to release an LP dub instead of tracking down an original (even copy) tape directly from the source. That, and a company losing the tapes in the first place. Of course they should pay you for their use. The whole thing just sounds like some burocratic cluster-fuck...

[clifford_thornton]

Don't have a clue. I still have the tapes they sent me in 1970.  B-)

Didn't People in Sorrow originally come out on Nessa? So wouldn't you have the tapes anyway? Or are you just talking about "Sophie"?

They originally came out in France on EMI Pathe; Chuck issued them in the US in the early 1970s (right?).

[Chuck Nessa]

Yes, Pathe Marconi made the recordings in 1969 and 1970. I issued them in the US in 1970.

[Johan Sebastian]

Hello Chuck, I was looking for information about Les Stances a Sophie and I think you can help me. I've read what you said in ¡this forum and I don't understand it at all. Here are my questions:

1. Why do appear 3 versions of "Variations sur un Theme de Monteverdi" on the track list but they doesn't exist on the EMI CD? Does they really exist? Did you listened them?

2. If I'm not wrong, the Universal Sound CD was released before the EMI one. Was it also a dub release or was done from the originals master tapes?

3. Are really the originals lost?

Sorry for being so curious and thanks a lot.

Xavi, Barcelona.

[Chuck Nessa]

Hello Chuck, I was looking for information about Les Stances a Sophie and I think you can help me. I've read what you said in ¡this forum and I don't understand it at all. Here are my questions:

1. Why do appear 3 versions of "Variations sur un Theme de Monteverdi" on the track list but they doesn't exist on the EMI CD? Does they really exist? Did you listened them?

2. If I'm not wrong, the Universal Sound CD was released before the EMI one. Was it also a dub release or was done from the originals master tapes?

3. Are really the originals lost?

Sorry for being so curious and thanks a lot.

Xavi, Barcelona.

1. The listings on the EMI issue are in error. No extra music available. Notice they list 3 Proverbes as well, but there are only 2.

2. The Universal Sound disc does predate the current EMI disc but an earlier French EMI disc in the "Jazztime" series was the first cd version. All 3 of these dubbed "Sophie" from vinyl.

3. I assume EMI has lost the tapes.

Now to confuse things further, Lester Bowie told me they recorded "a bunch more Proverbes" which were not issued. I mentioned this to Michael Cuscuna years ago and he said a search turned up no surviving tapes.

[Johan Sebastian]

Hello Chuck, I was looking for information about Les Stances a Sophie and I think you can help me. I've read what you said in ¡this forum and I don't understand it at all. Here are my questions:

1. Why do appear 3 versions of "Variations sur un Theme de Monteverdi" on the track list but they doesn't exist on the EMI CD? Does they really exist? Did you listened them?

2. If I'm not wrong, the Universal Sound CD was released before the EMI one. Was it also a dub release or was done from the originals master tapes?

3. Are really the originals lost?

Sorry for being so curious and thanks a lot.

Xavi, Barcelona.

1. The listings on the EMI issue are in error. No extra music available. Notice they list 3 Proverbes as well, but there are only 2.

2. The Universal Sound disc does predate the current EMI disc but an earlier French EMI disc in the "Jazztime" series was the first cd version. All 3 of these dubbed "Sophie" from vinyl.

3. I assume EMI has lost the tapes.

Now to confuse things further, Lester Bowie told me they recorded "a bunch more Proverbes" which were not issued. I mentioned this to Michael Cuscuna years ago and he said a search turned up no surviving tapes.

Thanks Chuck. That's a great lost for the music history.

Did you see the original vinil? I was wandering if the CD cover of the Universal SOunds is the original.

In this cover the band appears playing and it correspond to film frames. All Music Guide says the music was not used for the film but that pics could be the prove it was.

Anybody has seen the film? Did they finally used the soundtrack?

[Chuck Nessa]

I was wandering if the CD cover of the Universal SOunds is the original.

In 1970 Pathe Marconi (EMI) sent me a set of films (printing negatives) for their cover design. I altered the front some and created a totally new back. Universal Sound used my cover. They paid me 100 cds for the right to do this!

The Pathe cover included a photo of a couple in bed (lower right quadrant) and different type composition in the upper left.

[Johan Sebastian]

tthanks Chuck!

[Guy Berger]

I picked this up back in the fall and am listening to it for the first time. Wow, what a great pair of albums, the first time the AEC has really clicked with me (though I have enjoyed some of their other stuff).

Highly recommended for the AEC neophyte.

Guy

[clifford_thornton]

Have most of the early stuff, save Go Home, and can say with a (historicized) certainty that the Nessas and the first two entries in the BYG/Actuel catalog are extra fine. I still spin Les Stances and Message to our Folks quite regularly, years on.