Trumpet Guy Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Great stuff!! More great Don Joseph on Em Arcy's"The Jazz School" featured in Art Mardigan's sextet. We've almost covered all the Joseph.Add those Honey Dew's recorded on Staten Island. But that elusive Fred Stoll tape... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 I really dig when Tony Fruscella will "play off the horn" in his solos.He'll play a low 'f' on trumpet , which is a half step below the "lowest"note on trpt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 Don't play the trumpet, but I believe that Ruby Braff also played a lot of "off the horn" notes. In both cases (his and Fruscella's), it mostly sounds like it's just the note they need to continue the thought, but there also is a spooky chalumeau edge, as though an extra level of intimacy and/or mystery had been reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 That Fru w/ Bird,mentioned in Cutler discography is bogus?? Is this the material issued on Royal Jazz 506 - "You Stepped Out of a Dream", "Now's the Time", and "Emanon"? Is it the real deal? Not Fruscella? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Not sure Paul--that's what someone told me...I hope to hear it for myself soon.It must be poor fidelity...recorded in a hotel room? I saw yesterday for $15 an original 1956 Phil Sunkel vinyl---something like "I wake up every morning to the Phil Sunkel Orchestra".I might have this,but damn that's a tempting purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 The three Fruscella/Parker items on Royal Jazz RJD506 'Charlie Parker, More Unissued, Volume 2 are indeed bogus. Fruscella is heard on the three tunes (You Stepped out of a Dream, Now's the Time and Emanon) and shows his usual controlled excellency. But there is no Bird in sight. The alto player heard through the low fidelity is Dave Schildkraut. The very reliable Bergman/Bukowski/Saks Charlie Parker discography does not list the session. Tom Lord's discography does not list it either but has a note at the bottom of the December 1950 Parker at Birdland aircheck (with Red Rodney) that fills most of RJD506 stating that the alto player on the Fruscella items is Schildkraut. For more Fruscella music, there was a list of future releases mentioned in the notes to the Baldwin Street CD 'The Many Moods of Charlie Shavers' that was issued last year. Among those future releases was Baldwin Street BJG505 'Tony Fruscella with Gene DiNovi' (Live 1949). Wish this one would show up but it's not listed anymore at the Baldwin Street website http://www.baldwinstreetmusic.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent, Paris Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Among those future releases was Baldwin Street BJG505 'Tony Fruscella with Gene DiNovi' (Live 1949). Wish this one would show up Brownie, I don't know if it is the same jam session you're looking for but Japanese Marshmallow has issued a tape of a jam session with Tony Fruscella recorded at Gene DiNovi's house, Brooklyn, in 1952. here is the link (scroll down) The line-up is impressive and there are a few samples. Gene DiNovi has released several albums on that label, so we can assume that this issue was done from the original tapes or acetates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Merci, Vincent. Not sure it is the same as the Baldwin Street item but this Fruscella/ DiNovi Marshmallow looks appetizing. Went to their website and saw several CDs that also looked very interesting. Any idea if these Marshmallows are obtainable in (or near) Paris? Or do I have to purchase them direct from Japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent, Paris Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Unfortunately, I don't own any of these Marshmallow records. I found them while browsing the internet but never saw any of them in the Parisian stores. [sent you an email] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Ah - bogus Bird, true Fru. Interesting. Stupidly, the Lord discography does have that footnote - but yet it doesn't include the details of the material in question *anywhere* - and as with Fru, any Schildkraut stuff is certainly worth attention. In a couple of days, I'll have the Fruscella discography online. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 In a couple of days, I'll have the Fruscella discography online. Mike Mike, waiting for that. Will it include the Gene DiNovi session(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent, Paris Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Brownie, the Tony Fruscella discography is now online. Apparently, there's nothing like a 1949 live tape listed in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Brownie, the Tony Fruscella discography is now online. Apparently, there's nothing like a 1949 live tape listed in it. Thanks for the tip. I see the discography still lists the alto saxophonist who plays on the Tony Fruscella apartment session that came out on Royal Jazz as Charlie Parker. No way this was Bird. I am satisfied with the current Davey Schildkraut identification, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Based on all the interesting comments in this discussion I picked up the Fruscella Atlantic disc recently, and yesterday found a copy of the Spotlite LP "Fru'n Brew". No chance to spin it yet, but I love the Atlantic! Thanks for all this information, guys! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Listened to "Fru'n Brew" this morning (while doing some work, no time to really sit down and listen). A beautiful record. I love the sound of Brew, and Fruscella is very much his own man. I know some of the other trumpet players that have been discussed above and I do see a link between them and Fruscella, yet Fruscella's playing strikes me as very individual. I simply love it! "Blue Lester" is great, and the ballad on side two plain beautiful! Has anyone picked up the Jazz Factory (Definitive) 4CD set? How about sound quality, notes/discographical information all there? ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Ubu, I picked the Fruscella 4CD box when I found the box for a few euros couple of weeks ago. The sound is pretty good. I have checked with the LPs I have and find the audio from the box to be quite acceptable. And it's nice to have all those Fruscella appearances (or almost) in one box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Thanks, brownie. I'll get it! Well, I have picked up the Atlantic CD, and as there's probably no other legal release of the stuff... Definitives however are rarely seen here (BUT they are written about in the newspaper - the sunday edition of the best swiss newspaper recently discussed the "new 10CD Billie Holiday set released by Definitive" - SUCKS! Sucks bigtime! Even moreso as almost every store has the Columbia box displayed ever since it came out!) ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hey Fru fans! Just wanted to brag, I mean report, that I scored a live 1955 Open door gig of Tony Fruscella & Don Joseph together!! Add it to the discography! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted November 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Here are some sound samples of the original Fruscella album in question. Still looking for the elusive AMCY (Japanese) pressing of this one ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hey Fru fans! Just wanted to brag, I mean report, that I scored a live 1955 Open door gig of Tony Fruscella & Don Joseph together!! Add it to the discography! Could you let us know a bit more on that? Tony Fruscella and Don Joseph together, that sounds interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Would be glad to add it to the discography - please email me the details (see my site for how much detail). Thanks! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 (edited) Will do Mike! Well--After sucking down my morning coffee, I just went to listen..The guy who burned it for me,messed up--no burn! So I'll have to wait 'til next week to listen What I know is Joseph and Fru are backed by unknown musicians.The tunes look very promising: Now's The Time Embraceable You I Got Rhythm S'Wonderful What Is This Thing Called Love Blues(Ash Wednesday Blues) The word is the sound is not good, but the trumpets are clear I can't wait to hear these 2 together!! Edited November 24, 2004 by Trumpet Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Well, I've now got this Joseph/Fruscella tape and have listened. This is fantastic!! The sound is fine actually. My tape is edited so that its mostly just when the trumpets are playing. The guitar,bass and drums are clear,but edited. I don't know if Mel Lewis was hangin' at the Open Door in 55', but its someone like him... This tape is amazing.It sounds like its Don Joseph's gig, cause he is playin' his butt off! Definitely the most chops I've ever heard him display. He's frisky, funny, rhythmic(more than Fru)--quotes galore. You can hear him encouraging Fru as Fru is blowin'.These guys are having a ball; fantastic to finally hear. Laughing;funny endings;Fru even imitates an old fashioned vibrato on one tune to the chuckles of others. Don Joseph is a strange mix--you hear that dixie influence(even Armstrong),also a swing influence(that reminds me a little of Howard mcGhee ??)+ bop.He sounds fantastic! He must be feelin' it as he plays his high 'A' above high C;which no one would believe! Fru picks up on Don's influence, but I hear Miles and Chet in there. Man, when Tony plays a melody cloaked in whispers(Embraceable You), it is truly haunting. The songs played are interesting as quite a few are done up a step from the normal key.So, Now's The Time is in concert 'G'; I Got Rhythm in concert 'C'; What Is This Thing Called Love in concert 'D'. I've always said I wish I could take the "wayback' machine to the Open Door 1955. This tape almost transports me. I can feel the comraderie of the two trumpeters, which is inspiring to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Phil -- Great news that this exists. About the Swing influence on Joseph and Fruscella, I vaguely recall Dan Morgenstern saying that one or both of them (if it was one, it almost certainly would have been both) really dug Joe Thomas. Either that or it's a possible kinship I came up with myself. (I also recall reading somewhere that Carisi was a Joe Thomas fan.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Guy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 (edited) Hi Larry-- I hear the swing influence in Fru as well, but Joseph's playing is so light--its an interesting combination ultimately. I don't know Joe Thomas' playing. Any suggestions? Larry--I bought your book; can't wait to get to it! Congrats! It looks incredible! Edited November 24, 2004 by Trumpet Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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