catesta Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 ... Bush has really bankrupted this country, I hope a Democrat gets in there and make it right again like they always do. Ah yes, the Democrats, is there no problem they cannot solve??? Superman wishes he had the track record of Democrats! I cannot wait til the Dems sock it to an American cartel like OPEC, and American companies such as British Petroleum, and Dutch Shell!!! It took a Democrat to clean up after W's daddy, now it'll take a Democrat to clean up after Baby Bush. By the way, this is kind of off topic, but what is the deal with some of these Republicans that still have Bush bumper stickers on their cars? Does anyone notice this or have seen this in their town? This really annoys me to no end. Same deal as those that still sport Kerry or Gore stickers, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Same deal as those that still sport Kerry or Gore stickers, no? Nah, that's more like "look at the alternate universe we SHOULD have had". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted May 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 $3.59 a gallon in tucson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 A former Saudi Oil Minister once said “The Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, and the Oil Age will end long before the world runs out of oil.” It's probably true that given current technology and sources of energy there are "limits to growth", but I've never been convinced by Malthusian arguments like the one below. As the price of crude oil increases previously uneconomical sources of both oil and other energy become economical. R&D into alternative energy accelerates. Technology improves energy efficiency. Consumers and businesses alter their behavior to reduce energy consumption. In the short and medium run we'll have to undergo an "energy diet" (implying slower growth) but once this adjustment is complete economic growth will return to trend. Guy Veering into politics, but the view here is fairly apolitical. Why Dems and Republicans Are Afraid of Two Words: Peak Oil The pro-growth faction has reacted quickly and scathingly to the idea that there could be limits to growth. Kelpie Wilson, TruthOut May 22, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 I think the question is whether earlier investment in alternative energies, more efficient engines, etc would have reduced our dependance on petroleum for energy. Yes, should have started working on it HARD back in the mid-70's as far as I'm concerned. But with the big oil companies lining the pockets of politicians for decades so they could protect their little energy monopoly...didn't happen. We're going to seriously regret it and sooner than we'd like. Steam Engines weren't such a bad thing... I think it's important to keep in mind that investing in alternative energies, more efficient energies, etc is not a freebie - it has costs and there is some optimal balance between bearing these costs and bearing higher energy prices. That said, to lean on my "energy diet" analogy further, it is more comfortable to lose 50 lbs over the span of two years than all in one week. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Same deal as those that still sport Kerry or Gore stickers, no? Nah, that's more like "look at the alternate universe we SHOULD have had". Yeah, if Gore had won, we would have $6 a gallon gas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 (edited) Same deal as those that still sport Kerry or Gore stickers, no? Nah, that's more like "look at the alternate universe we SHOULD have had". Yeah, if Gore had won, we would have $6 a gallon gas! Please. The Gore put down is pure speculation at best and more blame the big scary Liberal at most. The reality is we do have a former oil man as president and we do pay in excess of $4.00 for a gallon of gas. The oil companies are whining incessently about wanting to drill in Alaska and not coincidentally the prices keep going up while they make abusively high billion dollar profits. Which seems more real to you? Edited May 29, 2008 by GoodSpeak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Same deal as those that still sport Kerry or Gore stickers, no? Nah, that's more like "look at the alternate universe we SHOULD have had". Yeah, if Gore had won, we would have $6 a gallon gas! Perhaps.......but we would all be driving hybrids or some other alternatively fueled vehicles. High priced gas is the only way there will be a sea change in the mentality of the car companies. It's already happening in Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I think Joe was right that we can have a non-political discussion about this. But we can also have a political discussion about it and move the thread to the politics forum if that's what people want. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 shit it might blow by $4 a gallon and hit $5 good thing i have a civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 From CNN... Oil settles at a record $138.54 a barrel, up $10.75, on weak dollar and forecast that crude will hit $150 by July 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Time to oil up the pushbike tomorrow.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) ecogas: "green" gas station It was 100° and I was sweatin' like a pig - Edited June 10, 2008 by rostasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 "Very surprised. I didn't expect this at all here," says customer Rod Stasick. "Usually you go into a place and it has a lot of junk food and there's not any junk food in here at all." You're famous! Gas is hovering around $4.01 a gallon here in Lansing. So far it hasn't gotten above the $4.16 I paid getting back to Michigan from Indiana a few weeks back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I think it was 3.79 when I filled up a few days ago. Rod...you're a consumer in the news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 You're famous! Ha! ...but in other broadcast bits when I've been interviewed, it's always when it's so stinking hot outside and I don't want to look like a bum. Of course, this is Texas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 $4.15 and rising here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Quite noticeable how the average speed on dual carriageways over here has dropped, as people economise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 $3.93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 4.19 at a local Mobil station. Directly across the street at Citgo they charge 4.30/gal and people incredibly gassing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I had to rent a car last week, and all they had left were big ol' SUVs. Used to be you couldn't get one because they were in demand. No so much any more, I guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 $4.64 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 I had to rent a car last week, and all they had left were big ol' SUVs. Used to be you couldn't get one because they were in demand. No so much any more, I guess! Same thing happened to me last weekend. Took them 5 hours to find me a mid-size car. Good news is it was a Nissan Altima Hybrid. I got down to LA [Playboy Jazz Festival; 230 miles from my house] and back on half a tank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Diesel - $5.61 Good thing I'm just in the U.S. for a day. (I don't drive anywhere else.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 £1.99 a litre at a place in Exeter before the fuel blockade of Shell stopped ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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