Sundog Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 $3.49 (f#*k me!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 It's been hovering around $3.41 for the past five days here in Lansing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Enjoy these low prices while you can. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 (edited) It's been hovering around $3.41 for the past five days here in Lansing. That's what I paid yesterday. Just got $20 worth. Article in the paper about how the feds need to raise the gas tax for roads but are too chicken to do so. Pay less on gas, pay more in auto repairs from driving on damaged roads... Edited May 21, 2007 by Quincy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted May 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 it was $2.96 the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Lucky pup. You know on the news the other night they were saying gas hit an alltime record high of $3.30 per gallon. My wife and I looked at each other and said who are they surveying for that one? $3.59 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Lucky pup. You know on the news the other night they were saying gas hit an alltime record high of $3.30 per gallon. My wife and I looked at each other and said who are they surveying for that one? $3.59 today. It's an average. Ours locally is $2.99 as well. Though it's gonna get worse before it gets better, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Ours went from 2.99 to 3.06 today, but after seeing how others are doing, I just don't have the nerve to complain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGrubb Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 If there's one bright spot I noticed that diesel was actually cheaper than reg at one station down here in paradise. And the last time I bought K-1 it was more expensive than reg gas. Go figure... Personally I think management(gov "control") is screwing us over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Haven't been out today, but my wife says it's up to $3.61 now. 20 cents in the past 3 hours. That makes a whole lotta sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 If there's one bright spot I noticed that diesel was actually cheaper than reg at one station down here in paradise. And the last time I bought K-1 it was more expensive than reg gas. Go figure... Personally I think management(gov "control") is screwing us over. I noticed that too at one local station here in the UK. I've never known diesel to be cheaper than unleaded ! (at least not within the last 20+ years). After driving diesel for the past 10 years I change over to unleaded next month. Talk about timing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 My friends in San Francisco tell me it's more than $4.00 bucks a gallon now. Yeow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted May 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 $2.98 a gallon yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Here's an interesting piece from a tax lawyer. Questions About High Gas Prices By Nieman Watchdog. An oil refinery in Port Arthur, Texas, in May 2007. Why aren’t refineries meeting the demand for gas? By Henry Banta, henrybanta@aol.com By any standard the media coverage of the current gasoline price increases leaves much to be desired. The gap between what is reported in the more sophisticated business press and what comes out in the popular media seems to grow wider. As any reader of the Wall Street Journal knows, there is information available. And there are other good sources; Steven Pearlstein of the Washington Post consistently provides first rate analysis. But the popular media, network television in particular, abandon all pretense at serious journalism when dealing with gasoline prices. What passes for coverage is usually a microphone stuck in the face of a motorist who confirms what we all know, prices have gone up. This is followed by a brief interview with an expert who invokes the notion that it is all a matter of supply and demand, as if that ended the discussion. This is followed, no doubt for sake of “balance,” by someone labeled a “consumer advocate” who invokes the even more useless notion of “price gouging.” There the matter is left to rest. Even “in depth” coverage rarely gets beyond further interviews with experts from the window-shade-school of economic analysis: this number will go up; that one down; this one down; that one up. What is lost in this ritual is some basic journalism. There are some simple common sense questions that are not asked. Start with the question of supply. Gasoline prices are up because refineries do not have the capacity to meet demand. It is frequently pointed out that no new refinery has been built since the late 1970s (implying that the problem is the fault of environmentalists.) But this fact alone raises a host of questions. Certainly gasoline demand has grown considerably since the late 1970s. Until now the industry has been able to meet demand growth with the expansion of existing refineries? Why not now? Granted Hurricane Katrina did considerable damage to the refining industry, but Katrina was almost two years ago. Has not there been time to line up more gasoline imports? Surprisingly, the head of the Energy Information Agency recently told Congress that imports were down. If refining capacity was a problem, why were imports down? If, as has been occasionally suggested, there is a worldwide shortage of refining capacity, why is the explosion of refined product prices limited to the United States? The Wall Street Journal recently reported that “American refiners have made a pretax profit of roughly $30 on each barrel of oil they use to produce gasoline, more than three times the margin in Singapore, a major Asian refining center.” Wouldn’t a world wide shortage of refining capacity drive up refining margins in Singapore? A component of the supply problem is the amount of gasoline held in inventory. Not surprisingly a drop in inventories is cited as contributing to the high gasoline prices. Yet no one seems curious about why the industry has been reducing its gasoline inventories for more than a decade. In 1990 the industry carried enough gasoline inventory to cover about 30 days supply. By 2000 it fell to 23.8 days. We are now precariously close to the 20 days of supply considered a bare minimum to keep the system working. Surely this raises obvious questions. In a period of rising demand and allegedly constrained refining capacity, the industry cuts inventories – with the predictable effect of price spikes every time there is a crimp in the supply. Each such price spike has produced a massive windfall for the companies. If this doesn’t cry for further questions, what does? Oil industry profits have always been an issue. One would think that by now we would have a firm grasp on the concept. Apparently not so. The industry flacks seem to be quite confident that they can get away with comparing the oil industry’s return on sales with the sales returns of firms in other industries. Profit is, and always has been, what investors get back on their investment. Comparisons of returns on sales are misleading gibberish. If sales returns mattered, GM would be doing better than Wal-Mart. Doesn’t the resort to such blatant nonsense require the question, why? Now for the claim that the industry needs high prices and profits in order to make the investment needed for the future. To meet future energy demand, the major companies claim to be investing billions of dollars. This is true; but certainly not the whole truth. Christopher Palmeri of Business Week found that Exxon did reinvest nearly $20 billion, which roughly amounted to 40% of its cash flow, but this was down from the 50% reinvested in 2000. In fact, Exxon spent 60%, or $29 billion, of its cash flow on the repurchase of its own stock in 2006. He found that the industry as a whole spent $52.4 billion on stock repurchases last year – almost double the amount in 2005. In short, the current price run-up has transferred billions from consumers to shareholders. Nice work Mr. Palmeri. Does anybody read Business Week? All of this raises some interesting questions about competition in the industry. If everybody in the industry is holding back on refining investment or reducing inventories, why didn’t one firm spot a profit opportunity and behave more aggressively? What kept one firm from expanding its inventory in order to take advantage of the next price run-up? Isn’t that what competition is about? The question of competition has the ability to send the industry propaganda machine into overdrive like no other (which by itself should be a red flag). The industry constantly points to the myriad of investigations that have failed to catch them at anything illegal, as if that disposed of the issue. Granted it is bit complicated, but is it too much to ask journalists to understand the distinction between what violates the antitrust laws and what indicates a failure of competition in the economic sense? As the Supreme Court recently reminded us, the antitrust laws prohibit firms from doing certain things – like actually colluding on price. If they don’t get caught together in the electronic version of the smoke-filled room, there is not much the antitrust agencies can do. That, however, does not end the atter. Competition can exist in many degrees. The notion that industries dominated by large companies behave like local hardware stores is ludicrous. Surely there are question here that need to be asked. Exploring these questions does not require a PhD in economics or petroleum engineering. It does require some intellectual curiosity and certainly hard work. But this issue deserves it. This is more than a news story about annoyed motorists. It involves fundamental questions about how well our market system is working in the energy area. The shift of billions of dollars from average Americans to the shareholders and managers of oil companies is important news, as are the reasons behind it. This deserves far better coverage than it has gotten. – Henry M. Banta is a partner in the Washington, DC, law firm of Lobel, Novins & Lamont. E-mail: henrybanta@aol.com http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007...igh-gas-prices/ MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Wouldn't it be nice to have the documents from Cheney's Energy Task Force meetings back in, what.... 2001? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 $3.69 today. That whole supply and demand bullshit is just another word(s) for "greed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted November 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 it's hitting the $3 mark again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 £1.05p a litre for unleaded here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Hovering around $3.25 in Michigan. Fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unk Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 According to AAA, the cheapest gas within 10 miles is $4.03; just went to that station and it's $4.39. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 I am looking at replacing some older trucks and going with the new GMs that have the Flex Fuel system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 (edited) i drive not even 30 miles per week unless out of town for a music gig or visiting, which is becoming less frequent, so i dont really care. nonetheless, gonna fire up the puddle jumper or the bicycle. Edited November 16, 2007 by alocispepraluger102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 time to get out the old siphon - hate those damn gas tank locks - hey Jim, if your tank seems a little lower than it should be, must be time for a tuneup - just don't go into reverse - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3877313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 2.85 'round here. It turns out there's an advantage to living next to a refinery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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