Davis S Ware Quartets

[Guest che]

Hi.

I am not that familier with David's music but today I ordered a 3-disc CD on the basis of a great article on him in Jazzwise (a UK prodeced Jazz mag).

Anyone familier with his muisc and what would you recommend to a 'newbie' to his music?

Che.

[relyles]

I have been listening to this set this week. I have listened to the first two discs and enjoyed them very much. I started the third disc, which is a live version of Sonny Rollins' "Freedom Suite", this morning. I really like the studio recording by the group of the suite and the first 20 minutes of the live version which I listened to while driving to work are at least equally as good.

Although I have and have heard quite a few Ware recordings I am not sure that I am the best person to recommend something to a newbie. Ware's quartet has gotten a lot of respect from the avant garde community, but I have yet to feel fully engaged with this music. With that said, based on what I have heard so far, I think the 3 disc set which you have already ordered is a very good introduction.

[Guest che]

I have been listening to this set this week. I have listened to the first two discs and enjoyed them very much. I started the third disc, which is a live version of Sonny Rollins' "Freedom Suite", this morning. I really like the studio recording by the group of the suite and the first 20 minutes of the live version which I listened to while driving to work are at least equally as good.

Although I have and have heard quite a few Ware recordings I am not sure that I am the best person to recommend something to a newbie. Ware's quartet has gotten a lot of respect from the avant garde community, but I have yet to feel fully engaged with this music. With that said, based on what I have heard so far, I think the 3 disc set which you have already ordered is a very good introduction.

Hey thanks for the thoughts and as I have not heard any of his music before, your thoughts are very useful and I will look forward to geeting the CD's.

I will let you know what I think.

Che.

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Thanks for the info.

I put him in the search and nothing came up.

But thanks again.

Che.

[Guest che]

I am thinking of ordering the album "Freedom Suite" and " Corridors and Parallels" what do you think?

Che.

[Guy Berger]

I saw him a few years ago and really enjoyed it. On the other hand, my experience with a few albums (Flight of I, Dao, Cryptology) is that he goes for a somewhat claustrophobic, relentless ensemble sound and listening to them all the way through gives me a bit of a headache. (FWIW, I don't have this problem with most of Trane's later music.)

Guy

[JohnS]

Ware is a very impressive player with a wonderful tone. His big inspiration is Sonny Rollins but the link is not so obvious now. But like relyles I don't fully engage with his work But I've been listening to the new set and I'd say it's a good place to start. especially as it is tremendous value for money.

[relyles]

I am thinking of ordering the album "Freedom Suite" what do you think?

That is probably the most accessible Ware quartet recording available and one that I enjoyed very much. However, I vaguely hearing some of those more familiar with Ware's music saying that the recording is not entirely representative of Ware's music. Other than that, I would say go for it. We rarely hear an interpretation of the Rollins suite and I personally found this recording very good. And William Parker's bass vamps throughout really get you in the gut.

[Guest che]

This is very helpful.

Che.

[Guest che]

The article I read begins with the words:

"One of the most in your face, full on saxophonists in jazz"

Is this reflected in his music?

Che.

[Nate Dorward]

If you want that, try Ivo Perelman.

[Guest che]

If you want that, try Ivo Perelman.

?

Che.

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Thanks for the info.

I put him in the search and nothing came up.

But thanks again.

Che.

maybe you should invest some thought in how that search function really functions. More options there than just hitting a button.

I hope that was very helpful

[catesta]

I hope that was very helpful

It was for me.

[Guest che]

I understand that Davd started as a sideman for Cecil Taylor, and from this moved into the arena of progressive jazz?

Any thoughts?

Che.

[Guest che]

I am curious as to why I listen to Rollins and Coltrane and not Ware?

Che.

[RDK]

I am curious as to why I listen to Rollins and Coltrane and not Ware?

Che.

Only you can explain that one...

[Guest che]

I am curious as to why I listen to Rollins and Coltrane and not Ware?

Che.

Only you can explain that one...

Ok?

Is there a wider issue here?

Coltrane, Rollins etc so why not Ware?

Che.

[JSngry]

Coltrane, Rollins etc so why not Ware?

Some people built the road, others travel on it once it's built. Both are honorable, obviously, but the ones who do the buiding are always going to be extra-special.

[relyles]

Is there a wider issue here?

Coltrane, Rollins etc so why not Ware?

Sorry, but I really do not understand what you are asking? Can you expand your question a little?

[Chuck Nessa]

Certainly never thought enough of him to buy a cd, let alone a set.

[Dave James]

Che,

I don't know that much about David Ware, but if, as you say, he "started as a sideman with with Cecil Taylor and from this moved into the arena of progressive jazz", I dare say that would've been a cute trick. Cecil has pretty much owned the outer edges of that genre since day one.

Also, I'm not sure how you can ask the question, "Coltrane, Rollins etc. so why not Ware?" If you weren't aware of Ware, then I really don't see how can question why you weren't hip to him.

I've got a couple of Ware's CD's, but his music can be pretty intense. I dumped the "Flight of I" after one listen, but I've hung onto one called "Surrendered" simply because of the last track called "African Drums". In my limited exposure to him, that's about as close to mainstream as I've heard him get. I wish he'd do some straight up stuff just to balance the scales. He's the owner of a monster tone. At times, almost like he's playing something pitched lower than a tenor. That "knee in the bell" low end sound.

Up over and out.

[Nate Dorward]

If you want that, try Ivo Perelman.

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"One of the most in your face, full on saxophonists in jazz"

I haven't heard enough of Ware to have an opinion about him. I have Go See the World but never have listened to more than about 15 minutes of it at a time. The one concert I saw was a mess (Victoriaville in mid-1990s) but he was on crutches & medication at the time, & shortly about to bump Whit Dickey out of the band, so maybe it wasn't a good way to experience him. All I can say is avoid Threads despite the insane tolerance shown towards it in the Penguin Guide.

[JohnS]

I saw David in London in the seventies with Andrew Cyrille's quintet. He was a little more conventional then but extremely impressive. He made a big impression on me at the time, the closing blues showed that he could walk the bar with the best of them. I've tried to keep up with his playing but so I can't say I've found any of his recordings completly satisfying. I did however like the way he included a popular song in his earlier recordings. These pieces were thoroughly deconstructed but remained true the melodies, these I think provided a helpful way in to his work.