Hank Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 (edited) Verve has a bunch of new OOP jazz up for download at its website. Among the titles, are two I couldn't resist: Buddy DeFranco's ARTIE SHAW, and Lee Konitz' YOU AND LEE. I haven't listened to the Konitz yet, but the DeFranco, as expected, is really good. One odd thing about the DeFranco, though, is the appearance here and there of a tack piano. I guess it's there as a nod to the harpsichord heard in Shaw's Gramercy Five recordings but it gives the album a slightly unsettling barrelhouse vibe. Still, a real worthwhile set. Edited March 23, 2005 by Hank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Thanks for the headsup, some nice additions. I could spend a hundred bucks easy! (I can't but I could!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 In what kind of format are these downloads available? MP3, WAV or something completely different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Pretty sure it is mp3. I have burned one item from iTunes, "Phenix" by Cannonball, and it sounds very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 In what kind of format are these downloads available? MP3, WAV or something completely different? Well, I don't really know. These downloads are available through iTunes--don't know if that means it's MP3 or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Just to echo Jazzbo: everything I've downloaded (3 of the Verve albums) have all sounded quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 (edited) If it's iTunes the format is most likely AAC, the Apple audio format that has copyprotection features. AAC files can be listened to on the Mac or PC (with the iTunes or Quicktime software), on a iPod (but not on other portable MP3 players, which mostly don't support AAC), or burned to a regular audio CD, from which copyprotection-free MP3 files can be created. All format conversions induce sound quality loss though. On AAC sound quality: http://www.recordstorereview.com/misc/aacmp3.shtml Edited March 23, 2005 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 ...or burned to a regular audio CD, from which copyprotection-free MP3 files can be created. All format conversions induce sound quality loss though. doesn't this mean that an uncompressed .wav must be created? That could then simply be encoded to mp3 without bothering with a CDr burn in between. Whether the quality loss that is introduced is substantial enough to actually hear it, is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 If it's iTunes the format is most likely AAC, the Apple audio format that has copyprotection features. AAC files can be listened to on the Mac or PC (with the iTunes software), on a iPod (but not on other portable MP3 players, which mostly don't support AAC), or burned to a regular audio CD, from which copyprotection-free MP3 files can be created. All format conversions induce sound quality loss though. Claude, I have burned more than a few items now from iTunes - happy with the sound - but last nite I put some of the files onto my other machine and had to go into the store to allow my other computer to play them. Uneducated guess here but putting the tracks over onto CD and THEN burning to the other machine is the way to go? Are they still encoded and protected then and how does that affexct the loss in quality? ... is it from simply bring an AAC lossless file into the AIFF mode?? would simply changing the name of the file fool the CP, I imagine it is imbedded there forever. (I'm sure there is some other talk about this here on the board and I could spend hours exploring the Apple discussions groups but that place is over my head.) Simple question: what is the best "recipe" for making a downloaded tune from iTunes yours and not a rental. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Since no link was provided, here it is: http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/series.aspx...ob=bf&src=vault Interesting that they're putting out some Argo/Cadet material, maybe there's hope that my Argo "Holy Grail" album, Richard Evans' Home Cookin' might actually appear some day? The Johnny Griffin and James Clay CDs from the late 80s-early 90s are highly recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 is this legal? http://hymn-project.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I would say it isn't legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Indeed. Defeating a copyprotection system which is "effective" (no one knows what this exactly means, but the legal hurdle isn't probaly very high) is prohibited by european copyright law (since 2001), and the DMCA in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 is this legal? http://hymn-project.org/ here in the US it is legal to undo whatever encription the manufacturers put on. One question would be, Does the de-encrytption software violate any of Apple's patents? Since apple probably gets you to agree not to do this as part of the licensing agreement with iTunes, another question would be would that contractual limit be binding on consumers? I have a feeling the answer would be no. --eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 but if you've gone to Verve or iTunes and paid a ten spot for an album - without the distribution costs of old, liner notes, artwerk, jewel cases etc - aren't you at least deemed to own the music now rather than leasing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Indeed. Defeating a copyprotection system which is "effective" (no one knows what this exactly means, but the legal hurdle isn't probaly very high) is prohibited by european copyright law (since 2001), and the DMCA in the US. Oh yeah, that damned law. Has anyone been convicted of this yet? I have a feeling the courts would be unsympathetic to prosecutions under this provision. --eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 but if you've gone to Verve or iTunes and paid a ten spot for an album - without the distribution costs of old, liner notes, artwerk, jewel cases etc - aren't you at least deemed to own the music now rather than leasing it? can you still make a regular audio CDr burn using these DRM encrypted AAC files? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Dye Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Yes, you can still burn an audio CD from the DRM'd AAC files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 The funny thing about iTunes is (last time I checked) that it allows the music buyer to make a limited number of audio CDs (5 or 6) from the AAC files. But of course every audio CD can again be copied (lossless), so this limitation is nonsense, at least from a technical point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 but if you've gone to Verve or iTunes and paid a ten spot for an album - without the distribution costs of old, liner notes, artwerk, jewel cases etc - aren't you at least deemed to own the music now rather than leasing it? can you still make a regular audio CDr burn using these DRM encrypted AAC files? well, yes, of course ... i should not be worried then. i guess Claude's point of sound loss had me thinking that the "file" itself was the grail and not the duped copy on the CDr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Actually seems to me that Verve is utilizing also items recently remastered and released in Japan (the Basies and a few others). . . . Interesting! Waste not want not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 (edited) I have not delved into the dowloading and "burning" of music .. yet! (I guess I am still basically a hardware guy) ... but could any of you answer this question. Is it my understanding that when Verve puts these albums out for downloading that they will NOT be releasing them as actual CDs? If that is the case, then I am going to have to figure out a way to get both the DeFranco and Konitz albums. (I wish that Verve had included this Konitz gem with the Konitz/Giuffre set they issued several years ago). Edited March 23, 2005 by garthsj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Is it my understanding that when Verve puts these albums out for downloading that they will NOT be releasing them as actual CDs? Not in the short term, but who knows what the future brings. You Asked For It, You Got It! For The First Time Ever, Verve Music Group Opens The Vaults To Digitally Release Out Of Print Albums! Every month we are bringing back more and more titles to be available in digital download format only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Have any of you talented graphic artist types made covers for the Verve downloads? I have got a few but no artwork or notes. I wish they world make the covers and note available too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Some nice stuff there, but I still think charging $10 for a "digital only" catalog title is too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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