Guest che Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I have the Dragon 4CD set, and agree that Trane really goes for broke on nearly every cut. But in some ways, I almost prefer the later concert with Stitt, if only because Miles really had to step up to the plate more, given Trane's absence. I find Miles to be playing harder and more aggressively on the date with Stitt, where he lays back a bit on the earlier date with Trane (since Trane is all fireworks). Both are outstanding concerts, though, highly recommended. The Stitt concert sounds like it occurred ten years before the Coltrane concert. I guess that is one of the difficulties in following Coltrane. Hank Mobbley, Sonny Stitt etc etc they all suffered from 'post-Coltrane syndrome' Che. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Paris is great, but what is truly disconcerting on that recording is the fact that so many of the Parisians in attendance were not ready nor receptive to what Coltrane was doing. As a result the listener has to put up with very audible hissing and catcalls emanating from the jazz conservatives in the audience. The Stockholm concert, OTOH, has better fidelity and nothing in the way of adversarial "competition" from the audience. As such, the Stockholm is a much more comfortable and better listening experience, IMO. File this under "different strokes", of course, but for me, the audience reaction just serves to intensify what is already one of the most "on the edge" recorded events in the annals of jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyC Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 question.... was this recoding done before trane wrote "like sonny" because in his solo in green dolphin street he quotes it or writes it thats what i am trying to figure out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 was this recoding done before trane wrote "like sonny" After. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I have the Dragon 4CD set, and agree that Trane really goes for broke on nearly every cut. But in some ways, I almost prefer the later concert with Stitt, if only because Miles really had to step up to the plate more, given Trane's absence. I find Miles to be playing harder and more aggressively on the date with Stitt, where he lays back a bit on the earlier date with Trane (since Trane is all fireworks). Both are outstanding concerts, though, highly recommended. The Stitt concert sounds like it occurred ten years before the Coltrane concert. Yes and no. When you just compare Trane with Stitt, probably yes. But I think Miles' playing is more advanced on the 2nd date (meaning the one with Stitt). Or at least that's my memory of it -- been at least six months since I've listened to any of this material. Hafta try to dig it out soon. I do reallly like the Stitt concert also, but the concerts with Coltrane on this tour (Stockholm and Paris) are probably my favorite Miles Davis recordings. However, I had forgotten that I also have CDs from the March 24 and April 9 concerts. Going to have to take a listen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Nobody has mentioned that this is the tour and recordings where Trane only plays solos; no heads and only a couple of partial endings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Nobody has mentioned that this is the tour and recordings where Trane only plays solos; no heads and only a couple of partial endings. Hmm.... Really?? Hadn't ever noticed that before. Interesting. Hmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Not actually true. 30 seconds with the Stockholm show revealed Coltrane to be unquestionably present on the in heads of So What and Walkin' - he may be there very low on All Blues too. Pretty sure things like On Green Dolphin Street and Fran Dance were always Miles alone, so nothing to read into Coltrane's absence on those. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I'll give another listen, Mike. I have always had the impression that he was not playing ANY of the heads on that tour. This gives me another chance to hear them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyC Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 yeah he definatly plays the heads on these tunes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I better get my ears cleaned! Are the Paris recordings the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 up.... I just recently picked up the single-disc "Legendary Stockholm Concert" on Natasha, 1993, and am really enjoying the performance! Took me a while to stumble across this disc, but I'm glad I did. Is this a legitimate issue? If not, is there a legitimate issue of these recordings? Is the 4 disc Dragon set legit? Worth upgrading to, sound & content-wise? Does the 4 disc edition include any additional Trane, or is the remainder completely with Stitt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Erik, YES the Dragon set is legit. Back in the days when the MD estate put the squeeze on and all these boots fled from the cd store shelves, the Dragon remained. They must either have dealt with the estate or have inalienable international rights. Upgrade wise. . .yes this is better sounding than the Natasha. I have neither of those with me here in this second "home" but from memory, yes there is a bit more of Trane material on the Dragon, as well as all that (really good) stuff with Stitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The Natasha Miles is bootleg. The Dragon releases are very legal. Beautiful set. Recorded by the Swedish Radio. The extra material comes from the concert that had Sonny Stitt on sax. No added material from the concert with Trane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Is the Dragon release the one with the Trane interview? I thought it also had another take of So What with Trane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Yes, it is the one with the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 The Dragon 4 cd edition has Coltrane on these tracks: CD 1 1. So What 2. Green Dolphin Street 3. All Blues/The Theme 4. Trane Interview 5. So What 6. Fran-Dance CD2 7. Walkin'/The Theme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Discography of the Dragon set: http://www.kind-of-blue.de/seiten/boxen/mi...omplete_box.htm (it does not indicate that Miles and Stitt don't play on a few of the October tracks) Edited November 27, 2006 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 FYI- My copy of the Dragon set came with duplicate copies of the material found on disc #1 and no material from disc #2. Anyone else have this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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