Miles Cellar Door Update

[BFrank]

I got the same email. Like everyone else, I'll just wait it out and hopefully still get the same price (although I'm sceptical, now)

[TomNYC]

For what it's worth, Tower is now listing the release date on this box as 10/25.

[ejp626]

Well, CD Universe treated me right. I had the Monk/Coltrane in the same order with the Cellar Door set (at the low price). I decided not to cancel the Monk/Coltrane, but they went ahead and shipped the it last night anyway. Still, annoying that the Cellar Door has been delayed. Hopefully it will be coming out at end of Oct.

[jazzbo]

Good news on the shipment of the cd!

Paul Tingen's milesbeyond.com website has a blurb that blames the delay on the Miles Davis estate. (No more specific information than that though. . . )

ARGH.

[Claude]

How can there still be a remaining legal problem at the announced release date of the box set? This set has been in the pipeline for at least 4 years.

Either the Miles estate was very slow before coming up with their problem or Sony tried to put pressure on them in preparing a release while negociations went on.

Edited September 27, 2005 by Claude

[jlhoots]

Well, CD Universe treated me right.  I had the Monk/Coltrane in the same order with the Cellar Door set (at the low price).  I decided not to cancel the Monk/Coltrane, but they went ahead and shipped the it last night anyway.  Still, annoying that the Cellar Door has been delayed.  Hopefully it will be coming out at end of Oct.

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What did they do re: shipping charges??

[Soul Stream]

I can't believe the Cellar Door thing might be legally stopped at this point. The money involved in producing and promoting that product up until now has got to be quite big. Going to be a big shot of disappointment heard round the world if it doesn't come out.

[Eric]

Well, CD Universe treated me right.  I had the Monk/Coltrane in the same order with the Cellar Door set (at the low price).  I decided not to cancel the Monk/Coltrane, but they went ahead and shipped the it last night anyway.  Still, annoying that the Cellar Door has been delayed.  Hopefully it will be coming out at end of Oct.

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Yep, my Trane/Monk and Big Star shipped, but the Cellar Door is still there at good ole $39.19 ...

[bertrand]

The attorney for the Miles estate, one Peter Shukat (sp?), seems to spend his days sitting in his office thinking up ridiculous objections to anything anyone ever comes up with regarding Miles. What his clients have to gain by restricting the presence of an item on the market by which they would profit, I cannot begin to guess.

I believe Sue Mingus is another of his clients.

Bertrand.

[bertrand]

Of course, there have also many disputes among the various sets of half-siblings, so the onus may be on another party altogether. Everyone loses either way.

Bertrand.

[bertrand]

If Miles had only kept his dick to himself!

Bertrand.

[jazzbo]

Yeah right, like that was going to happen!

[dave9199]

Just got back from buying the Monk/Coltrane live cd at Integrity 'N Music and chatted with Ed (or Integrity Ed as he's also known). He wasn't sure about the info, but it's got to do with one of Miles's sons & and a guy by the name of Adam Holdsman (not sure if I have the whole last name right). He also wasn't sure in what capacity this guy was involved with the Cellar Door set, but it's because of his involvment that this set is being held up was my understanding. Anyone know who this guy is?

[JSngry]

Adam Holzman. Played in Miles' later bands. Fine player with an interesting fusion-centric perspective on jazz that only somebody of his generation could have (Miles' fusion was his bebop, musically and spiritually). Served as co-producer of the set along w/Bob Belden.

[dave9199]

I wonder if this same thing will happen with the proposed 72-75 set if Holtzman was involved.

[Chalupa]

Adam Holzman. Played in Miles' later bands. Fine player with an interesting fusion-centric perspective on jazz that only somebody of his generation could have (Miles' fusion was his bebop, musically and spiritually). Served as co-producer of the set along w/Bob Belden.

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He's also Jac Holzman(the founder of Elektra records)'s son.

[Soul Stream]

Adam Holzman. Played in Miles' later bands. Fine player with an interesting fusion-centric perspective on jazz that only somebody of his generation could have (Miles' fusion was his bebop, musically and spiritually). Served as co-producer of the set along w/Bob Belden.

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He's also Jac Holzman(the founder of Elektra records)'s son.

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Sounds like a fly in the ointment.

[bertrand]

There's a huge article in this month's Jazztimes. Postponing it really makes them look stupid.

Bertrand.

[John L]

There's a huge article in this month's Jazztimes.  Postponing it really makes them look stupid.

Bertrand.

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...particularly given the unbelievable number of times that it was postponed in the past. This has to be some sort of record. It was still the 1990s when they first announced it as an upcoming release, then it was slated for 2000 and so on, and so on. I seem to recollect that some preliminary reviewer copies were even sent out a few years ago? No?

[jlhoots]

There's a huge article in this month's Jazztimes.  Postponing it really makes them look stupid.

Bertrand.

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Big article in DownBeat too.

[Eric]

What a mess ...

Nice to see Paul Tingen got the JT article. His "Miles Beyond" book is a lot of fun to read and has been a great reference for me.

[WD45]

What could possibly be the beef?

[bertrand]

Especially coming from Holzman.

Bertrand.

[dave9199]

From the info I heard, it was because of Holtzman's involvment that one of Miles's sons is holding it up. I could be wrong but that's how I understood it.

[Eric]

From the info I heard, it was because of Holtzman's involvment that one of Miles's sons is holding it up. I could be wrong but that's how I understood it.

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Wow, I wonder what kind of legal standing the son might have at this late date? Seems like Sony could just tell him to buzz off, but obviously not.