brownie Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I miss Aric! Did anybody really take his DEATH threats seriously? With all the recent happenings here in America, is there a good reason not to? I gave him plenty of warning over the last few weeks, even months, to cool his jets. He chose not to. I agree that SS1 was rubbing Aric a little, but I hardly think that warrants Aric saying he's going to kill him, and all his family. That's not funny. And I do take it seriously. It is a clear violation of the rules that have been posted since day one. I am all for free speech but I will not tolerate threats of physical harm. He will not be allowed back. Jim, with all due respect - and I DO mean that! - this went too far! After all, this started when a 12 bucks deal went sour! Couldn't all this aggravation have been dealt with earlier and settled once for all. If I had known any of the involved party had been that much concerned, I would have shipped in with a copy of the missing CD! I agree that Aric went too far and it's not the first time this happened but probably because I see all this from an outside perspective, I have to say that Aric has himself been the subject of quite a bit of hazing from the moment he joined this Board. And as far as posting some crap, Aric is not the only one around these parts. But he is one of the posters who really bring life to the the Board! I can understand your concern about Aric's direct threat to a poster and his kin but I always took these type of threats from him as literary licence! Your banning Aric because of this and 'in the wake of recent happenings in America' smacks of Bush's post 9/11 paranoia. I DO hope that Aric's banishment is a temporary thing. Please reconsider! And please Soulstation1, do not take this as any kind of offense! I'm not trying to put the blame on anyone. Really wish this had been settled ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I miss Aric! Did anybody really take his DEATH threats seriously? With all the recent happenings here in America, is there a good reason not to? I gave him plenty of warning over the last few weeks, even months, to cool his jets. He chose not to. I agree that SS1 was rubbing Aric a little, but I hardly think that warrants Aric saying he's going to kill him, and all his family. That's not funny. And I do take it seriously. It is a clear violation of the rules that have been posted since day one. I am all for free speech but I will not tolerate threats of physical harm. He will not be allowed back. Jim, with all due respect - and I DO mean that! - this went too far! After all, this started when a 12 bucks deal went sour! Couldn't all this aggravation have been dealt with earlier and settled once for all. If I had known any of the involved party had been that much concerned, I would have shipped in with a copy of the missing CD! I agree that Aric went too far and it's not the first time this happened but probably because I see all this from an outside perspective, I have to say that Aric has himself been the subject of quite a bit of hazing from the moment he joined this Board. And as far as posting some crap, Aric is not the only one around these parts. But he is one of the posters who really bring life to the the Board! I can understand your concern about Aric's direct threat to a poster and his kin but I always took these type of threats from him as literary licence! Your banning Aric because of this and 'in the wake of recent happenings in America' smacks of Bush's post 9/11 paranoia. I DO hope that Aric's banishment is a temporary thing. Please reconsider! And please Soulstation1, do not take this as any kind of offense! I'm not trying to put the blame on anyone. Really wish this had been settled ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I can't say I agree with those complaining about "uneven moderation". This is no court of law, and Jim doesn't have to take the Gould vs. Maltz case into consideration when making a decision now. Aric ignored the board rules, and his banishment should come as no surprise. SS1 did not violate the rules, which of course says nothing about if his posts were in good taste or not. Regarding Greg's banishment I can't see why it should be brought up again. If someone misses his opinions on SACDs I'm sure there are other ways of contacting him. To those who mourn Aric's departure: You're free to express your feelings about it. However, I don't think how funny, insightful or knowledgable someone is should affect the decision to ban that person after an obvious violation of the board rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 You know this is all a little crazy. I'm not saying threatening a person is proper but for chrissake it's the internet. Do you think he's going to come to Jim's house or SS1's house and kill them. I seriously doubt it. He got pissed and let off steam. Since it's a violation of the board rules he should go but not forever. Also, for egging him on and acting like an idiot, I think you should get rid of ss1 too for awhile. If we don't need Aric here, we certainly don't need him also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 For those of you reading this thread who may be unaware of Soulstaion1's "deal" with Aric that has reverberated through this board and the Blue Note for all these years it was this: Soulstaion1: Burn 6 CDs from the Blue Note box set Aric: Go to store and buy "new" "Money Jungle" CD Aric claims the burns arrived and didn't play. He also claimed he was broke. Neither is a valid excuse for backing out of the deal. Aric was a sap for getting into this deal. He agreed to trade a $10 (min) CD for $1.50 worth of illegal CDs. Aric acts like a jerk all the time and I won't miss his posts. However, Soulstation1 screwed up this board royally with this vendetta of his over an illegal deal gone south. A deal in which he was bascially ripping off Blue Note and Dexter Gordon's widow as well as Aric. Aric acts like an immature jerk, but Soulstation1 isn't far behind with his actions. I wonder if Soulstaion1 is still making deals like this? I don't many who would appreciate an offer of a burn for a new CD. Kevin Wow and I thought I was the only one some members of this board did not like Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) I think we should ban Robert Blake from here, as well - and Karl Rove - Edited March 17, 2005 by AllenLowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Allright people, let's just settle this thing once and for all and hand out an appropriate punishment ---- Rooster gets banned for violating the 'too much sucking up on one thread' rule. BUT, seriously, (and probably most importantly!!) -- I still think this is Jim's board, and therefore think that Jim ought to do whatever he thinks is best, including ignoring what I think. Whatever. It's Jim's board, and it's Jim's call, and I'll back whatever he decides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 BUT, seriously, (and probably most importantly!!) -- I still think this is Jim's board, and therefore think that Jim ought to do whatever he thinks is best, including ignoring what I think. Whatever. It's Jim's board, and it's Jim's call, and I'll back whatever he decides. Agreed. The only people who've been banned from here have been people who, in one way or another, have been provocative and problematic in an ongoing manner. DEEP, GregM, Aric... all three were prolonged headaches for Jim in one way or another, and whatever redeeming qualities they brought to the board (DEEP's musical background, GregM's obvious erudition and intellect, Aric's passion for jazz and liveliness) were eventually outweighed by the chaos and ill will that they sowed. Jim's a very laidback, very fairminded guy; I'd say getting kicked off by him should be cause for self-reflection on the bannee's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 You know this is all a little crazy. I'm not saying threatening a person is proper but for chrissake it's the internet. Do you think he's going to come to Jim's house or SS1's house and kill them. I seriously doubt it. He got pissed and let off steam. Ok, but consider a not-too-far-fetched scenario where Jeff falls victim to a random act of violence that leaves him either dead or crippled. Shit happens, right? Now, let's say that the investigators get wind of the fact that a "death threat" had been issued via this BBS. Does Jim need the hassle of having his board becoming the object of a legal investifation? Take it one step further - let's say that somehow the perps were identified as having been driving a car w/Washington license plates, or somewhere that might make the potential of a connection even slightly more plausible. More investigation, more suspiscion, more hassle. Now, let's say that somebody tries to tie Jim and the board into the liability for Jeff's misfortune and seeks some kind of renumeration and/or puntative damages. Who needs that? Couldn't happen? Probably not. But "probably" is definitely not "couldn't", and "couldn't" happens all the time. Jim did what he had to do. If Jeff has any sense, he'll chill the fuck out about the whole deal right now and from henceforth on, and should Aric come back in whatever guise, he'd be well advised to do the same too. If life was totally predictable, therewould be no problem, But... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Someone ought to start a new BBS, somewhere far, far away, call it ELBAnned, and open it up to all the banished ones from this an other boards. I bet it would be lively and eminently stalkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Jim did what he had to do. If Jeff has any sense, he'll chill the fuck out about the whole deal right now and from henceforth on, and should Aric come back in whatever guise, he'd be well advised to do the same too. If life was totally predictable, therewould be no problem, But... My sentiments as well, and from the start of this little mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I know this has been kicked around before, but does the board have to become the forum where "deals gone sour" greivances get aired. As far as I'm concerned, deals should get cut between two people, off the board, and the settlement of any greivances should also be pursued somewhere other than here. If you think someone is using the board to entice others into bad deals, write to the moderating team, write to people on the board you know may be buyers (and let them decide whom to trust), but don't post. There's more than one sort of illegal activity for which this board *may* be liable for providing a conduit. This particular deal being one of them. I'd say buyers and sellers should feel free to meet here, but they ought to get off the square when they're doing their deal. And the board isn't responsible for seeing that deals go through as promised. --eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 somewhere far, far away, call it ELBAnned, and open it up to all the banished ones from this an other boards. I bet it would be lively and eminently stalkable. Oh boy, just what you'd like.....a little cyber island fortress where you could play warden and go on at length about your favorite politicians -- day after day...month after month...decade after decade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Couldn't happen? Probably not. But "probably" is definitely not "couldn't", and "couldn't" happens all the time. Hey Mr Jazz Dada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Ah, I remember when that Aric guy used to post here all the time......like it was yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 whatever is dished my way i can handle it, i won't threathen to kill everyone and wish cancer on them. i didn't make any physical threats to anyone here or post a naked guy's penis on this bb, so possibly a minor might see it. isn't jazzcat under 18 yo? even posting a pic of porno for a sec here is WRONG and NOT the place for that kinda shit aric should be banned for that, PERIOD have any of my posts over the past few days mention the money jungle? NO i've posted very little in all this mess, had lots and lots of pics though i am the only one to remember that back in the day (2000) cdrs was more $$$$ than today. seriously one sony cdr w/ case was around $1.50-2.00 each, i think it was 5 cdrs for $10. so i spent just as much money on those as m/j would have cost. aric didn't have a cdr burner back in the day i've done around 50 cdr swaps and never had any probs when jim had a prob with my sig / avatar it was changed within 2 minutes. you guys can't tell me what i can / can not post, only jim has that power. i could say something about everyone's sig or avatar, that bugs me. what i did to aric was not in anyway illegal or abuse. it might have been alittle much, but did it hurt anyone physically or their feelings. ss1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Jim's a very laidback, very fairminded guy; I'd say getting kicked off by him should be cause for self-reflection on the bannee's part. You hit the nail on the head there, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Someone ought to start a new BBS, somewhere far, far away, call it ELBAnned, and open it up to all the banished ones from this an other boards. I bet it would be lively and eminently stalkable. As well as being populated by those who feel that the "banned" should never have been banned in the first place. One imagines that the talk of SACDs would be pretty prominent over there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Someone ought to start a new BBS, somewhere far, far away, call it ELBAnned, and open it up to all the banished ones from this an other boards. I bet it would be lively and eminently stalkable. As well as being populated by those who feel that the "banned" should never have been banned in the first place. One imagines that the talk of SACDs would be pretty prominent over there..... Some boards have "Hell" forums where certain threads are consigned... there could be a "Hell" forum for the damne--er, I mean, banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) Why not bring Effron back as long as he agrees to take sole responsibility for managing the dozens of daily B'Day threads? Edited March 17, 2005 by Son-of-a-Weizen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 You know I been on this board a short time, and already people have passed some very disparaging comments. A thread of mine has been locked, and people seem to be able to say whatever they want use what ever profanities they like, and very little happens to them. Even one of the board organizers was threatening in his tone towards me. I have read this whole thread and my view is that you cannot go around abusing people full stop. Too much of that goes on and in my humble opinion, too little is done about it until it reaches a crises point. People like Africabrass seem to be able to tread the path between some very diverse thinking. So why can we not do this ourselves? Just some teatime thoughts Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 After a night of solid sleep, I still think Aric should be given another chance. I think his way of behaving was taken advantage of these past days, and I think he should get a chance to show that he's willing to adapt somewhat to the etiquette here. I'm not siding with the underdog, but having been around here long enough to read (enjoy and hate) most of his posts, I think a lot of it was an act that this board helped to support. People were expecting Aric to be the way he was, and we have enough examples of people being totally surprised when he didn't post what people expected. Invariably he got responses like "WHAT, NO CAPS?" or people throwing his older posts back at him to practically force him back into recognizable patterns. Give the guy a break, but throw him out if this (hopefully temporary) banning didn't cure him. If he didn't learn from that, he doesn't deserve another chance. And remember: It's about time for a love day again here on Organissimo. I know how sensitive an issue it is to have death threads on an Internet board, especially if many members are American, but I'd like to go on record that to my knowledge and expertise (I do have some of that), Aric is NOT a lunatic gunman. If I'm wrong, you may string me up by my balls. God, Aric, I'm putting my balls on the line for you, so get with the programme if they give you another chance! Or I'll fu**ing kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 man, i wouldn't risk my grapefruits for anyone around here.... i wub them tooooooo much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Aric and Deep....their constant reappearance and banning on all jazz boards is becoming borish. Their presence is ALWAYS at the expense of others. I fail to understand people's support of them other than their own selfishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 jim- give aric another chance. put him on probation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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