Trumpet

[Joe G]

[Dennis_M]

Timofei Dokschitzer, Maurice Andre, and Rafael Mendez are certainly not jazz/swing/traditional jazz players, so I don’t know why they are included. Certainly Kenny Dorham and Lee Morgan ought to be there. In any case, while I wouldn’t buy this CD, it would be interesting to listen to it—once.

I like the idea of Sandoval doing a tribute to Faddis!

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Sandoval plays Faddis - the lame leading the lame?

Sandoval fancies himself a part-time classical player, so I assume that's why those soloists are on the list. He has an album out where he plays, among other things, the Arutunian concerto (a piece composed for Dokschitzer).

Mike

[Bright Moments]

Sandoval plays Faddis - the lame leading the lame?

ouch! hey mike, what do you have against faddis?

legacy is a pretty good album and have you EVER heard anyone hit higher notes on the trumpet then JF?

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Faddis can't play changes. He is a repository of licks. His tone is thin and piercing, not full-bodied. Sure I have heard people hit higher notes (I helped prepare a presentation on high note guys that was presented at the recent Maynard Ferguson extravaganza in Los Angeles), but "hitting" a note is not the object. Making music is. Ferguson is an exceedingly rare example of someone who can play altissimo with good tone. Though he's not such a good improviser - he's still more capable than Faddis in that area. The presence of Faddis on a gig or record is sure to drop the musical level several notches.

Legacy doesn't do it for me, despite the nice accompaniment.

Mike

[Dennis_M]

Wow, I guess you don't like the guy. Personally, I would rather listen to Faddis than Sandoval, and I can't stand Ferguson. Oh well, if we all liked the same musicians, it would be a pretty dull world.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Well, yes, to be sure. But I wonder what your Ferguson listening experience is - if all that you know is MacArthur Park and later, you're missing the good stuff. He's made a lot of horrendous records that lack any semblence of taste. There are plenty of Maynard freaks who believe he can do no wrong, but I'm certainly not one of them.

Mike

[Dennis_M]

I have to admit that I haven't listened to anything even remotely recent. I did buy some of his stuff recorded in the '55-'65 time frame (I'm guessing here) but dropped him completely when MacArthur Park, Gonna Fly Now, Rocky, etc. started appearing. I would be happy to be educated. What would you recommend?

[marcello]

I can agree with Mike aboput Faddis to a extent. None of his most recent records do much for me. He is a talent that never reached his "full potential", so to speak.

But I also must say, I loved the early, young Faddis. I remember when he was with Thad and Mel, one of his features was "Pensive Miss"; the original is done by Snooky Young on "Basie Meets Hefti". Faddis was always wonderful on that song in particular; there is a video ( I think) of him doing that one with the band.

Then there is "Youngblood" and his duets with Oscar Peterson Pablo that I like but the best is "Jon and Billy" with Billy Harper.

I always felt that if Faddis didn't sink himself in the world of the studios, Wynton would not have made much of a splash early on.

Billy Harper & Jon Faddis / Jon &Billy

Recorded 13 Mar.1974,Teichiku Studio Tokyo

1/Jon & Billy (Hanna) 5:58

2/Water Bridge-Mizu Hashi San (Bridgewater) 8:02

3/Ballad for Jon Faddis (Hanna) 4:01

4/Two d's from Shinjyuku, Dig & Dug (Harper) 7:03

5/17-Bar Blues (Hanna) 5:22

6/This All-Koredake (Hanna) 7:51

Jon Faddis(tp)

Billy Harper(ts)

Cecil Bridgewater(Kalimba on 4)

Sir Roland Hanna(p,e-p)

Motohiko Hino(ds)

George Mraz(b)

Edited March 12, 2005 by marcello

[Jazz Kat]

you're missing Al Hirt! Or was he on that list..

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Mercury, RCA, Roulette, Cameo, Mainstream, Enterprise label stuff by Maynard; if you can deal with Kenton, then that stuff (1950-53 is my preference - I'm a fan of third stream things, so Innovations Orchestra is nice). Nice work with Shorty Rogers (RCA) and some other sideman gigs too. Find the stuff with the best soloists and the best arrangers. I don't like things where Maynard is the primary soloist. I prefer him in smaller quantities - but when you need it, he comes through. When he had his working band (Roulette era), he hired some amazing people.

Mike

[JSngry]

Caught the Sandoval (or as a KNTU DJ recently referred to him, "sand-OVAL") autobiopic recently on TV, and, although his is certainly a tale of great personal courage and triumph, musically....

No.

[Fran]

Well, yes, to be sure. But I wonder what your Ferguson listening experience is - if all that you know is MacArthur Park and later, you're missing the good stuff. He's made a lot of horrendous records that lack any semblence of taste. There are plenty of Maynard freaks who believe he can do no wrong, but I'm certainly not one of them.

Mike

With Barnet - "All The Things You Are" was a show off piece - but I always thought he showed great control, tone and ideas.

[nemo7]

dang then howz'bout (someone once asked me) are there any trumpet players under the age of two-five even playing jazz?

[RudyC]

clark terry?

[Jazz Kat]

too old I think

[RudyC]

too old to be creditited? as beingan influantial trumpet player?

[Jazz Kat]

He asked if there were any trumpet players under 25, you said Clark Terry. He's about 50 years too old.

[RudyC]

i was just alking about the artuo album