jasonguthartz Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Did Marshall Allen play on any non-Arkestra recordings besides these two: Paul Bley, Barrage (ESP, 1964) Phil Alvin, Unsung (Slash, 1986, which I believe featured Ra & the Arkestra) I know he's done a few away from the Arkestra since Ra died, but I'm curious about any others recorded while Ra was alive. Jason Guthartz Chicago, IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Sun Ra had moved on at this point, but Marshall Allen does play here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 How about 1949 in Switzerland with James Moody? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 (edited) Medeski Martin and Wood, as well as a few appearances on CIMP, and a recording with Kidd Jordan (?) all since Sun Ra left.... "The All Star Game" (Eremite MTE 044) with Allen, Kidd Jordan (tenor), William Parker, Alan Silva (basses) and Hamid Drake (drums). I spoke to Allen about that last night (when he played at our radio station) as it gives you the sense he played "obliggato" to Jordan through the whole concert. Marshall said, "I was just waiting for him to take a breath! So I could jump in...We made it work. Oh! We maneuvered it." He laid two new Sun Ra Arkestra discs on me, those under his leadershp. Edited March 10, 2005 by Lazaro Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 And perhaps the Pat Patrick record on Saturn? big on "Barrage." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonguthartz Posted March 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Mike: What record has that '49 Moody date? Any more info on the session? "clifford_thornton": What Patrick record on Saturn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Both Marshall Allen and Pat Patrick are on the 1970's Roulette LP SR 42063, Olatunji (the late Nigerian drummer), playing some very nice African highlife music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 (edited) The Moody recordings were for Vogue, some later issued on Inner City 7020 "In The Beginning" - haven't heard and can't say for sure how much space Allen gets. I am told he solos on at least one track. There were a few sessions, 1949 and 1950. Discographies confuse Marshall Allen, listed as "Red" Allen - with Henry "Red" Allen (the trumpeter) so Lord CDROM 5.0 now has the July 3, 1950 date listed with "Henry Allen" playing alto. This is really Marshall Allen. I'm confused about the Patrick reference - Allen does not appear on Pat Patrick's "Baritone Retinue" album titled "Sound Ideas" recorded for Saturn (not even listed in Lord). I don't believe there is any other Patrick solo album out there. Mike Looking under "Henry Allen" I find another session that must feature our man - March 1950 in Vienna with Thurmond "Trumpet" Young (who plays on the Moody sessions as Trummy Young - NOT that Trummy Young). 1990s recordings in Lord for "Henry Allen" are NOT Marshall. Edited March 10, 2005 by Michael Fitzgerald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 (edited) I was in a record store in Philly 2 or 3 years ago when Marshall came in looking for the Moody cd. The clerk, who knew Marshall, asked him why he wanted this particular Moody cd. Marshall told him that he played on it. When the clerk looked up the cd in the computer he said,"Damn, Marshall you recorded that over 50 years ago"!! To which Marshall replied, "Yep". I have a CIMP of the Marshall Allen Quartet called "Tuesday". It has a great cover of Ra's Opus Springtime which I saw Marshall perform live w/ a stripped down version of the Arkestra a few years ago. Edited March 10, 2005 by Chalupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonguthartz Posted March 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Discographies confuse Marshall Allen, listed as "Red" Allen - with Henry "Red" Allen (the trumpeter) so Lord CDROM 5.0 now has the July 3, 1950 date listed with "Henry Allen" playing alto. This is really Marshall Allen. Looking under "Henry Allen" I find another session that must feature our man - March 1950 in Vienna with Thurmond "Trumpet" Young (who plays on the Moody sessions as Trummy Young - NOT that Trummy Young). Stop, Mike - I'm getting dizzy ...which reminds me about that trumpeter "John Burks" on Leo Parker's Let Me Tell You 'Bout It (Blue Note, 1961) -- really Dave Burns, right? But thanks. I'll have to track down those Moody tracks, maybe on one of his Chronological Classics CDs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 The four sides that Marshall 'Red' Allen recorded with James Moody in Paris in July 1950 were included in the James Moody volume of the 'Americans Swinging in Paris' CD series from EMI that came out a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I don't think John Burks is Dave Burns. Never heard that - I believe it's John Burk, who worked with Buddy Johnson in the late 1950s. It's NOT Dizzy Gillespie, who used the John Burk/Berks/Birks name with various folks. Since Dave Burns DID record with Leo Parker for Blue Note just one month later, using his real name, it doesn't make sense to me that he would be using a pseudonym on the earlier session. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonguthartz Posted March 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I don't think John Burks is Dave Burns. Never heard that - I believe it's John Burk, who worked with Buddy Johnson in the late 1950s. It's NOT Dizzy Gillespie, who used the John Burk/Berks/Birks name with various folks. Since Dave Burns DID record with Leo Parker for Blue Note just one month later, using his real name, it doesn't make sense to me that he would be using a pseudonym on the earlier session. Mike re: Burks I was going by this entry Damn those sloppy online discographies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Yikes - "Gland Lad" ??? Don't even go there. I have no faith in that website. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Yikes - "Gland Lad" ??? Don't even go there. I have no faith in that website. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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