TONIGHT AT NOON Claim

[JSngry]

A http://mingusmingusmingus.com/main/news.htm turns up this tidbit regarding TONIGHT AT NOON:

The other major re-issue is part of the Atlantic Masters series, "Tonight At Noon." The performances on this album were recorded on two separate occasions, some four years apart. The 1961 date includes 'Invisible Lady' and 'Peggy's Blue Skylight' featuring Roland Kirk. Originally released as three sides of a double vinyl album, it comes with spoken interludes. Though the two sessions cover different stylistic ground, they blend together seamlessly and feature some of Mingus's loveliest tunes.

WTF?

Edited March 4, 2005 by JSngry

[Joe]

Could this be a reference to the old Atlantic 2-LP set PASSIONS OF A MAN?

Track listing...

-- Pithecanthropus erectus (10:41)

-- Profile of Jackie (3:07)

-- Reincarnation of a lovebird (8:31)

-- Haitian fight song (11:57)

-- Wednesday night prayer meeting (5:30)

-- Cryin' blues (4:58)

-- Devil woman (9:38)

-- Wham bam thank you ma'am (4:41)

-- Passions of a man (4:52)

-- Tonight at noon (5:58)

-- Passions of a woman loved (9:43)

-- Duke Ellington's sound of love (12:04)

-- Better git hit in your soul (4:35)

-- Sue's changes (17:04)

-- Canon (5:30)

-- Free Cell Block F, 'tis Nazi U.S.A. (6:52)

-- Goodbye, porkpie hat (7:00)

-- Mingus on Mingus : a brief set of casual spoken reflections (3:30).

I've never heard or seen said release, but it could be that the "spoken interludes" were culled from the interview (w/ Neshui Ertegun) that was appended to the big COMPLETE ATLANTIC RECORDINGS box.

[RDK]

For a long time that Passion 2-fer was the only place to find the Tonight at Noon material. Along with Ah Um, it was one of the albums that really made me sit up, take notice of Mingus, and go .

Man, I can still remember listening to "Tonight at Noon" (the track) for the first time. It was a revelation. And one of those things that changes you deep down...

[Tom in RI]

I think someone is confusing a Mingus work with Rahsaan Roland Kirk's The Case of the Three Sided Dream in Audio Color.

As to new release from Revenge, I have given up going the Mingus site to check. I remember there being mention over the past several years of dates that might be issued but isn't there only one Revenge release? Frankly, I've given up hope.

[DMP]

The 3 1961 cuts turned up on the Rhino "Deluxe Edition" of "Oh Yeah." (They were apparently from the same session.) Have the earlier cuts also turned up somewhere else? (Don't have a discography handy.)

[l p]

i don't know if it helps, but here is an entry from an unpublished kirk discography.

although, when i got the fairly recent cd version of 'oh yeah' with all the kirk tunes, it was not listed here. the entry may have been corrected since then.

Charles Mingus Jazz Workshop 61 1106

November 6, 1961 Atlantic Recording Studios New York, NY Monday

Charles Mingus p, voc; Jimmy Knepper tb; Roland Kirk ts, mz, st, fl, siren; Booker Ervin ts;

Doug Watkins b; Dannie Richmond dr; band voc

a. 5756 Devil Woman (CM voc) 9:38 Atlantic 1377 / SD1377

b. 5757 Ecclusiastics (CM voc) 6:55 --

c. 5758 “Old” Blues For Walt's Torin 7:59 Atlantic 1416 / SD1416

d. 5759 Peggy's Blue Skylight 9:42 --

e. 5760 Hog Callin' Blues 7:26 Atlantic 1377 / SD1377

f. 5761 Oh Lord, Don't Let Them Drop That

Atomic Bomb On Me (CM voc) 5:38 --

g. 5762 Passions Of A Man (CM voc) 4:52 -

h. 5763 Wham Bam Thank You Ma’am 4:41

i. 5764 Body And Soul unissued

j. 5765 Invisible Lady 4:49 Atlantic 1416 / SD1416

k. 5766 Eat That Chicken (CM voc, band voc)

4:36 Atlantic 1377 / SD 1377

l. 5767 Nuts unissued

m. 5768 Unidentified --

Notes: a. RK takes the first ts solo and Booker Ervin the second.

b. c. e. f. j. k. All sax solos are by RK.

c. Length of title incorrectly shown as 8:59 on issues.

d. Booker Ervin is the ts soloist after the ensemble and before the piano solo.

h. Booker Ervin is the ts soloist.

i. l. m. It is believed that these 3 tracks were destroyed in the Atlantic vault fire in Long Branch, NJ 1976.

(refer to: http://www.bluenote.com/bulletinboard/ubb-...4&t=000229&p=2)

j. Only one ts is present, Booker Ervin, RK is out?

Issues: a. b. e. f. g. h. k. Atlantic 1377 = Atlantic SD 1377 = Atlantic 1377 (rtr) = Atlantic 7 90667-1 = Atlantic 7 90667-2 (cd) = Atlantic 7 90667-4 (cs) = Atlantic/Rhino SD1377 = Atlantic/Rhino (D) 8122-75359-2 (cd) = Atlantic (D)

7 90667 1 = Atlantic (D) 7 90667 2 (cd) = Atlantic (F) 332051 = Atlantic (F) 40387 = London /Atlantic (GB) HA K 8007 = London/Atlantic (GB) SH K 8007 = Warner Pioneer/Atlantic (J) P-4544A = Atlantic (J) P 6016 = Atlantic (J) P 7557 A = Atlantic (J) AMCY 1038 = Silen (RU) SI-1603 (cd)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS OH YEAH

c. d. j. Atlantic 1416 = Atlantic SD 1416 = Atlantic 1416 (rtr) = Atlantic/Rhino SD 1416 = LABEL M 495723 (cd) = Atlantic (D) SD 1416 = Atlantic (D) 7567-80793-2 (cd) = Atlantic (F) 412012 = Atlantic (GB) ATL 5019 = Atlantic (GB) SAL 5019 = Atlantic (J) CSJ 829 = Atlantic (J) AMCY-1206 (cd) = Silen (RU) SI-1603 (cd)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS TONIGHT AT NOON

a. b. c. d. e. f. g. h. j. k. Also on Atlantic/Rhino R2 75589 (cd) = Atlantic/Rhino (J) AMCY-1249 (cd)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS OH YEAH

a. Also on Atl Supraphon (CZH) 110212 1

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS PASIJE CLOVEKA

a. b. c. d. e. f .g .h .j. k. Also on Atlatntic/Rhino R2-72871(cd) = Atlantic/Rhino (GB) K 8122 72871 2 (cd)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS PASSIONS OF A MAN THE COMPLETE ATLANTIC RECORDINGS 1956 - 1961

a. b. e. f. g. h. k. Also on WEA (D) WE 240717 (4 lp box set)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS CHARLES MINGUS

a. b. e. f. g. h. k. Also on Lucky Navigator (RU) (cdrom)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS

Note: This cdrom includes 10 Charles Mingus lps, including OH YEAH, from 1956 –1977. The picture displayed is Atlantic 7 90667-2 (cd). Refer to www.cdboom.com and eBay 337557782.

a. g. h. Also on Atlantic SD3 600 = Atlantic CS3 600 (cs) = Atlantic (D) 60 143 = Atlantic (F) WE 313

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS PASSIONS OF A MAN AN ANTHOLOGY OF HIS ATLANTIC

RECORDINGS

b. e. g. h. k. Also on Atlantic SD 2 302 = Atlantic ATL TP-2-302 (8tk) = Atlantic (D) 60 039 = Atlantic (F) 60 039 = Atlantic (GB) K 50232 = Atlantic (J) P 4505/6A

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS THE ART OF CHARLES MINGUS / THE ATLANTIC YEARS

b. Also on Atlantic/Rhino R2 71402 (cd)

Titled: CHARLIE MINGUS ANTHOLOGY: THIRTEEN PICTURES

b. Also on Atlantic/Rhino R2-71554 (cd) = Atlantic/Rhino (D) 8122 71554 2 (cd)

Titled: ATLANTIC JAZZ/BEST OF THE ‘60S VOL.1 (var.)

b. g. h. Also on Atlantic/Rhino R2-79988 (cd)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS THE VERY BEST OF CHARLES MINGUS

d. h. Also on Warner Jazz (D) 9548-35819-2 (cd) CHARLES MINGUS CHARLES MINGUS

d. k. Also on Columbia/Legacy CK 61448 (cd)

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS KEN BURNS JAZZ

e. k. Also on Atlantic SD1555 = Atlantic M 51555 (cs) = Atlantic (F) 40392

Titled: CHARLES MINGUS THE BEST OF CHARLES MINGUS

e. k. Also on Atlantic SD 2 506

Titled: ?

f. Also on Atlantic (D) 20052

Titled: THE 25 ATLANTIC YEARS – BLUES 'N' JAZZ (var.)

h. Also on Atlantic/Rhino R2 71406 (cd) = Atlantic/Rhino (D) 8122 71406 2 (cd)

Titled: RAHSAAN ROLAND KIRK ANTHOLOGY DOES YOUR HOUSE HAVE

LIONS

h. Also on WEA BHM-01 (cd)

Titled: THE RHTYHM OF HISTORY: CELEBRATING BLACK HISTORY MONTH 2001 (var.)

h. Also on Time Life Music R612-05 314560538-2 / 72435-31636-2-4 (cd)

Titled: CLASSICJAZZ THE SIXTIES (var.)

h. Also on Flashback R2-79896 (cd) = Flashback R4-79896 (cs)

Titled: HOT SAX, COOL JAZZ (var.)

k. Also on Atlantic (D) 60095

Titled: BLUES JUBILEE (var.)

k. Also on Atlantic/Rhino R2 71727 (cd)

Titled: ATLANTIC JAZZ BEST OF THE ‘60S, VOLUME 2 (var.)

Edited March 15, 2005 by l p

[RDK]

Looking at it again, I think they're simply talking about this...

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&t...10:fxfuxqwgldte

... which seems old news by now...