ASNL77 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Posted February 27, 2005 Could anybody post the discography of this set as it is not available on the Mosaic website and I can't find it anywhere else. If you can't post it could you please tell me if the set 'The Complete Roost Recordings' include all the music of the Mosaic? Thanks! Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted February 27, 2005 Report Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) The two sets overlap quite a bit but are NOT identical. The Mosaic set is Getz AND Raney. The Roost set is Getz on Roost. So the Mosaic has stuff from Verve and Prestige while the Roost has stuff with Johnny Smith. Mike Edited February 27, 2005 by Michael Fitzgerald Quote
marcoliv Posted February 27, 2005 Report Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) a great lady from California got back to me with this: (Disc 1) - 01 - Thou Swell (Disc 1) - 02 - The Song Is You (Disc 1) - 03 - Mosquito Knees (Disc 1) - 04 - Pennies From Heaven (Disc 1) - 05 - Move (Disc 1) - 06 - Parker 51 (Disc 1) - 07 - Hershey Bar (Disc 1) - 08 - Rubberneck (Disc 1) - 09 - Signal (Disc 1) - 10 - Everything Happens To Me (Disc 1) - 11 - Jumpin' With Symphony Sid (Disc 1) - 12 - Yesterdays (Disc 1) - 13 - Budo (Disc 2) - 01 - Melody Express (Disc 2) - 02 - Yvette (Disc 2) - 03 - Potter's Luck (Disc 2) - 04 - The Song Is You (Disc 2) - 05 - Wildwood (Disc 2) - 06 - Stella By Starlight (Disc 2) - 07 - Time On My Hands (Disc 2) - 08 - 'Tis Autumn (Disc 2) - 09 - The Way You Look Tonight (Disc 2) - 10 - Lover Come Back To Me (Disc 2) - 11 - Body And Soul (Disc 2) - 12 - Stars Fell On Alabama (Disc 2) - 13 - You Turned The Tables On Me (Disc 3) - 01 - Lullaby Of Birdland (Disc 3) - 02 - Autumn Leaves (Disc 3) - 03 - Autumn Leaves (Alternate Take) (Disc 3) - 04 - Fools Rush In (Disc 3) - 05 - Fools Rush In (Alternate Take) (Disc 3) - 06 - These Foolish Things (Disc 3) - 07 - Thanks For The Memory (Disc 3) - 08 - How Deep Is The Ocean (Disc 3) - 09 - Hymn Of The Orient (Disc 3) - 10 - These Foolish Things (Alternate Take) (Disc 3) - 11 - Signal (Disc 3) - 12 - Lee (Disc 3) - 13 - 'Round Midnight (Disc 3) - 14 - Motion The discography of the sessions in this set includes only US issues for reasons of space and readability. Even within these confines, the listings can be many for an artist of Getz's stature. While we had luck with most of the sessions i nthis box, the two Roost studio dates, (B) and (D) were a nightmare. On some selections, we had to dub from LP's because no tape existed. On other tunes, there were 35 tapes, each one worse than the last and none coming close to a first or second generation. That is why the sound quality on these pales in comparison to that of the others. Suffice it to say, that we left no stone unturned and invested a great deal of time in transferring these sessions as best as possible. (A) Stan Getz, Jimmy Raney, Al Haig, Teddy Kotick, Tiny Kahn, live at Storyville, Boston, Oct 28, 1951 Budo The Song Is You Parker 51 Mosquito Knees Thou Swell Yesterdays Jumpin' With Symphony Sid Pennies From Heaven Move Rubberneck Hershey Bar Signal Everything Happens To Me note... although (b) precedes this live recording, we have chosen this order to separate the live and studio sessions for continuity (b) Getz, Raney, Horace Silver, Leonard Gaskin, Roy Haynes, NYC August 15, 1951 R1075 Melody Express R1076 Yvette R1077 Poter's Luck R1078 The Song Is You R1079 Wildwood © Getz, Raney, Duke Jordan, Bill Crow, Frank Isola, NYC December 12, 1952 Stella By Starlight Time On My Hands 'Tis Autumn The Way You Look Tonight Lover Come Back To Me Body And Soul Stars Fell On Alabama - I You Turned The Tables On Me All titles appear on Clef MGC-137m Birgrab NGB-1042, Verve MGV-8133 and Verve CD 833 535-2 I - Many discographies list take 2 as an alternate which appeared only on a japanese 78 and list take 6 as the master. In fact, there is only a take 2. We have compared the japanese 78 with all other issues and the match. (D) same artists as © December 19,1952 Lullaby Of Birdland * Roost 562, RLP-417, RLP-2258, SRK-103 Autumn Leaves * Roost 562, RLP-417, RLP-2258, Jam-5007 Autumn Leaves (Alt tk) * Jam 5007 Fools Rush In * Roost 578, RLP-417 Fools Rush In (alt tk) * Jam 5007 These Foolish Things * Roost 570, RLP-417, RLP-2258, Jam 5007 note: Although December 5 is the date commonly given for this session, it actually took place two weeks later and was predated to avoid conflict with Getz's contract with Norman Granz which had already begun. (e) same artists as (d) NYC December 29, 1952 Thanks For the Memory How Deep Is The Ocean Hymn Of The Orient These Foolish Things all titles appear on Clef EPC-188, MGC-143, Norgran MGN-1042, Verve MGV 8133 and Verve CD 833 535-2 (F) Getz, Raney, Hall Overton, Red Mitchell, Frank Isola WOR Studios NYC April 23, 1953 Signal Lee 'Round Midnight Motion Note: This session was under Jimmy Raney's leadership Looks like they were all on Prestige LP-156, PR 7255, PR 7434, P-24088 Marcus Edited February 27, 2005 by marcoliv Quote
ASNL77 Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Posted February 27, 2005 (edited) Thanks to both of you and to the great lady too! Edited February 27, 2005 by ASNL77 Quote
JSngry Posted August 19 Report Posted August 19 Why didn't the Mosaic set include the Getz/Rainey sides made for Sittin' In With? Quote
JSngry Posted August 20 Report Posted August 20 On 8/19/2024 at 10:55 AM, JSngry said: Why didn't the Mosaic set include the Getz/Rainey sides made for Sittin' In With? Up Quote
Stompin at the Savoy Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 On 8/19/2024 at 8:55 AM, JSngry said: Why didn't the Mosaic set include the Getz/Rainey sides made for Sittin' In With? Do you mean Pardon My Bop and Diaper Pin? Possibly because the group was billed as a "Quartette"? https://www.discogs.com/release/9448294-Stan-Getz-Quartette-Pardon-My-Bop-Diaper-Pin Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 It was more than two tunes, and the way that label (a Bob Shad joint) has been handled has a mess forever, but this is close-ish: Missing from here is "Pinhead" (another take of 'Diaper Pin") but those are quartets without Rainey. But these others, they qualify, no? Here's "Pinhead" (changes of " That Old Black Magic"): https://archive.org/details/78_pinhead_stan-getz-al-haig-chas-perry-jimmy-rainey-clyde-lombardi_gbia0422095b Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 Five cuts in all: Two takes each of "As I Live In Bop" & "Pardon My Bop" + one of "Interlude In Bop". Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 Does anybody have this set to look in the booklet to see if there's an explanation about why these cuts were left out of this otherwise(?) complete "Complete" set? Quote
Stompin at the Savoy Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, JSngry said: Does anybody have this set to look in the booklet to see if there's an explanation about why these cuts were left out of this otherwise(?) complete "Complete" set? I have the set. There is no explanation or mention of these cuts in the booklet. Part of the booklet is here: https://www.billcrowbass.com/getz-raney.html Possibly Charlie Lourie and Michael Cuscuna were unaware of these back in 1990 when the set came out. Edited August 21 by Stompin at the Savoy Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 I'd think they would have been aware. Mainstream kept some variation of the material in print on LP for quite a while. I got here: u https://www.discogs.com/release/4098846-Stan-Getz-Gerry-Mulligan-Wardell-Gray-Dave-Lambert-3-Benny-Green-Allen-Eager-Yesterday Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 per Bill Crow's essay: While Woody's band was in New York, Jimmy made his first records with a quintet led by Al Haig that included Getz, bassist Clyde Lombardi and drummer Charlie Perry, for Bob Shad's Sittin' In label. By the time the records were released, Getz's solo on the Woody Herman recording of Ralph Burns's Early Autumn had made him famous, so Shad released the records under the name of "The Stan Getz Quintet," much to Haig's dismay. Maybe they couldn't get these sides? Or maybe there's a quibble about them being Getz-led? You'd not know otherwise by the sound of the material: This still early-ish Getz, with a definite bop influence. Quote
Stompin at the Savoy Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 I didn't catch that mention in the notes, I guess because it was a sideman appearance. Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 A sideman before the date, sure, but the leader once the records were released. And the core of Getz' first group (Getz, Haig, and Rainey) are all in place. It is 1949, and the Mosaic commences in 1951 so maybe there was a "narrative" that they didn't want to disrupt. I think the quality is enough that they should have been included (if possible), but it's a little late now LOL. Quote
GA Russell Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 3 hours ago, Kevin Bresnahan said: Mosaic has missed material before. The Desmond/Hall set was missing the Warner Brothers/Discovery session released as "First Place Again - Playboy" (WB) or "East Of The Sun" (Discovery). Kevin, what you refer to is Disc One of the Desmond with Hall Mosaic. Quote
adh1907 Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 6 hours ago, JSngry said: I'd think they would have been aware. Mainstream kept some variation of the material in print on LP for quite a while. I got here: u https://www.discogs.com/release/4098846-Stan-Getz-Gerry-Mulligan-Wardell-Gray-Dave-Lambert-3-Benny-Green-Allen-Eager-Yesterday Bought this in the late 70s I think, it was readily available, even in the UK. Prefer Getz’s tone on these Sittin In dates, tough sounding, to the later smoother sound in the 50s. Mouthpiece change? Quote
jazzbo Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 (edited) It's possible that Mosaic may not have been able to obtain/ascertain the rights to the Sittin' in With material. Ownership seemed to be in the hands of owners Mosaic hardly if ever seemed to license from. Edited August 21 by jazzbo Quote
JSngry Posted August 21 Report Posted August 21 41 minutes ago, adh1907 said: Bought this in the late 70s I think, it was readily available, even in the UK. Prefer Getz’s tone on these Sittin In dates, tough sounding, to the later smoother sound in the 50s. Mouthpiece change? Possibly, not sure. Haven't looked into that. He's already got a softer sound here than he had on his earlier Savoy session. I'm with you, though. I prefer his sound here, and even on the first Roost dates. 39 minutes ago, jazzbo said: It's possible that Mosaic may not have been able to obtain/ascertain the rights to the Sittin' in With material. At first that sound unlikely, but otoh, has any Bob Shad material been licensed for anything? The Sittin' In With label is a spree of incongruity, but there are various good sides to be had: https://www.discogs.com/label/168395-Sittin-In-With?page=1 I am a bit fond of their Peppermint Harris releases myself. Quote
mikeweil Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 (edited) 17 hours ago, JSngry said: A sideman before the date, sure, but the leader once the records were released. And the core of Getz' first group (Getz, Haig, and Rainey) are all in place. It is 1949, and the Mosaic commences in 1951 so maybe there was a "narrative" that they didn't want to disrupt. I think the quality is enough that they should have been included (if possible), but it's a little late now LOL. My guess would be Mosaic wanted to feature the Getz-Raney unit as a working group. The sessions before 1951 would not match that. There was more recorded at that 1948 session for Sittin' In With: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stan Getz Quintet : Stan Getz (ts) Al Haig (p) Jimmy Raney (g) Clyde Lombardi (b) Charlie Perry (d) New York, October 25-26, 1948 C121-1 Pardon my bop (*) Dale LP21, EP201, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] C121-2 Pardon my bop (*) Dale LP21, EP201, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] C121-3 Pardon my bop SIW 532, Jade 702, Vogue (E)V2030, EPV1016, Jazz Sel (F)630, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Definitive (And)DRCD11257 [CD] C122 As I live and I bop [Bopcycle]SIW 505, Mainstream M56025, Jax 5002, Dale LP21, Mainstream MRL364, MSTD101, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Mainstream MDCD722 [CD], Definitive DRCD11257 [CD] As I live and I bop (alt,*) Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] C123 Interlude in Bebop [Bopelbath] (*) SIW 549, Dale LP21, EP201, Jade 702, Vog (E)V2031 Spotlite (E)SPJ140 C123 Interlude in Bebop SIW 505, Dale LP21, EP200, Vog (E)V2033, EPV1016, (Dan)JS673, Jazz Sel (F)673, Mainsteam M56025, S6025, MSTD101, MRL364, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Dejavu (It)DVRECD17 [CD], Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] C124 Diaper pin [Pinhead] (jr out) SIW 532, Dale EP200, LP21, Vog (E)V2031, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Mainstream MRL5007, MDCD722 [CD] C124 Diaper pin (jr out) SIW 549, Dale LP21, EP201, Vog (E)V3031, EPV1016, JS630, Mainstream MRL5007, MRL364, Spotlite (E)SPJ140, Dejavu (It)DVRECD17 [CD], Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] Note: Mainstream MRL364 titled "Yesterday"; rest of this LP by Wardell Gray, Al Haig and others. Mainstream MDCD722 [CD] titled "A look at yesterday"; the rest of this CD by Wardell Gray, Paul Quinichette and John Hardee. All titles, except (*), also on Classics (F)1126 [CD]. One take of each of C122, C123 & C124 also on Mainstream (E)MRL5007. One take of Mx. C123 & Mx. C124 also on Definitive DRCD11257 [CD] titled "Stan Getz & Jimmy Raney - Complete Studio Sessions"; a 2 CD set. One take of each title also on American Jazz Classics (Sp)99091 [CD] titled "Stan Getz Quartet & Quintet - The Complete Roost Studio Sessions"; a 2 CD set. One take of each title also on Definitive (And)DRCD11136 [CD], Blue Moon (Sp)BMCD99958 [CD]. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A discographical mess indeed. If I read these data correctly, no reissue ever included all takes. There were sessions in 1949 with Getz and Raney for Savoy, Seeco, and Harry Lim, too. Kind of a pool of musicians. Edited August 22 by mikeweil Quote
JSngry Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 23 minutes ago, mikeweil said: My guess would be Mosaic wanted to feature the Getz-Raney unit as a working group. The sessions before 1951 would not match that. Did they say that? It would have been an easy enough thing to state . Quote
Stompin at the Savoy Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 (edited) The Getz set is 2 hrs and 37 min. By today's standards there would have been enough room on the 3 cds to include the Sittin' In With material; not sure about cds manufactured in 1990. It's also possible that the material wouldn't fit on 4 lps - I have no idea how much fit on an lp in 1990. Edited August 22 by Stompin at the Savoy Quote
mikeweil Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 9 hours ago, JSngry said: Did they say that? It would have been an easy enough thing to state . No idea, I don't have that set. Maybe someone who has it can take a look into the booklet. Cuscuna used to say such things in his producer's notes on tha last page. I just thought it confirms to his general production citeria. Quote
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