Jan Garbarek

[JSngry]

I knew about Othello Suite, but thought it was about the same time as Esoteric Circle. No?

But 1966? Wow, did NOT know about that!

Anybody here heard that stuff?

[Joe]

"Produced by George Russell / Recorded at Henie-Onstad Kunstsenter, Bærum, October 1969"

With Terje Rypdal, Arild Andersen and Jon Christensen.

As Jim said, much more heat here than on, say, OFFICIUM.

Garbarek is also one of the primary soloists on the 1968 recording of Russell's

ELECTRONIC SONATA FOR SOULS LOVED BY NATURE (with Red Mitchell on bass). IMO, one of Russell's most fascinating -- and least discussed -- works.

[Guest che]

Prior to ECM he had a number of smal groups on his own and worked with the likes of George Russell. He was a big fan of Russell's book " The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, a real bedtime read

Che.

[Guest che]

Confrontational little fuck, aren't you.

Now boys can we all chill out, or maybe I don't yet get the jokes yet

Che.

[catesta]

Well, tough, you cocksucker. But I do like Garbarek's tone and how it's evolved over the years. The early Esoteric Circle stuff is really raw, actually.

Take that early Esoteric Circle stuff and shove it up your ass.

How's that for raw?

[Guest che]

Do let me know if I missing the point of this particular thread?

Che.

[catesta]

Anyone else like Garbarek's music?

Che.

I thought this was the point of the thread?

[Guest che]

Anyone else like Garbarek's music?

Che.

I thought this was the point of the thread?

Yes so why all the swearing?

Che.

[RDK]

Anyone else like Garbarek's music?

Che.

I thought this was the point of the thread?

Yes so why all the swearing?

Garbarak has that affect on people...

B-)

[catesta]

JSngry does too.

[Guest che]

I guess this kind of exchange may not encourage people to post, and you guys seem to have so much experience and knowledge to share with us all B-)

Che.

[tonym]

I guess this kind of exchange may not encourage people to post, and you guys seem to have so much experience and knowledge to share with us all B-)

Che.

No, what it is Che, they're American. And as Michael Moore is quick to point out (and the South Park creators too) Americans love to fight. They're at it all the time, every single one of them. Can't stop themselves. Just don't get caught in the crossfire.

They don't make very good cars either.

:running for cover:

[catesta]

I guess this kind of exchange may not encourage people to post, and you guys seem to have so much experience and knowledge to share with us all B-)

Che.

No, what it is Che, they're American. And as Michael Moore is quick to point out (and the South Park creators too) Americans love to fight. They're at it all the time, every single one of them. Can't stop themselves. Just don't get caught in the crossfire.

They don't make very good cars either.

:running for cover:

Tony, you've been on my shit list for months now.

I'll give you a small amount of time to reconsider that post, or else....

5......4......3.....2.........

[alankin]

I like his 70s and 80s work the most. But his 2004 album is very good as well. Very interesting sound from the sax & violin combination. Some nice melodies. Not too much meandering.

[tonym]

Sorry mate. I don't know what came over me. You're right, I can only express my profound shame and offer unreserved apologies all around....

the cars are fantastic.

Well, the old ones

[Free For All]

Yes so why all the swearing?

You have to understand a couple things:

-this place has been described as a "corner bar" (or pub) and as such the language often tends to get a little salty. Please take that saltiness with an additional "grain of salt". Most of the time members use minimal profanity, but sometimes there's no better way to express yourself than unleashing a fussilade of nastiness. Please don't take it personally.

-the exchange you're referring to in this case is meant in a playful way, much like two brothers who express their love by beating the crap out of each other.

Dysfunctional? Perhaps. Overtly hostile? Definitely not.

...and oh yes, threads get derailed constantly around here. Be patient.

[neveronfriday]

...and oh yes, threads get derailed constantly around here. Be patient.

[tonym]

...and oh yes, threads get derailed constantly around here. Be patient.

World's first blond female engine driver?

[RDK]

...and oh yes, threads get derailed constantly around here. Be patient.

The thing that always get me about this picture is - what the hell were they thinking ending railroad tracks some 40 feet above the ground? Something like this was inevitable.

And it's just calling out to someday be used for the cover for some unreleased old jazz album... B-)

[neveronfriday]

Not jazz, and NOT good, but ... since you mentioned it .

Cheers

[brownie]

I used to go past - when I was much younger - that Gare Montparnasse.

Here is a story about that crash:

A famous French train wreck occurring on the Compagnie de l'Ouest (Western Railway) on the 22nd October 1895. The Granville to Paris express failed to stop at the dead ended Gare Montparnasse station in Paris, careered across 100ft of concourse and though the glass fronted end wall and into the street.

Carrying 131 passengers in 12 cars, the train was in charge of a 2-4-0 class 120 #721 driven by Guillaume-Marie Pellerin. The train left Granville at 0845 and was travelling a few minutes late as it approached Montparneasse at 1555. Pellerin was an experienced engineer of 19 years standing but was suffering from a silly instruction not to use the Westinghouse brake to bring the trains to a halt in the station. This was an economy measure to reduce the brake shoe wear. Engineers were expected to use the locomotive brake with the hand brakes on the brake cars.

He misjudged the speed and attempted to apply the air brake at the last minute but failed to stop. The fall to the Place de Rennes was 30ft and both engineer and fireman had bailed out before the engine hit the wall. The engine just missed a tram.

There were only 5 injuries amongst the passengers and crew. However, beneath the window stood a woman Marie-Augustine Aguilard selling newspapers. She was standing in for her husband while he went to collect the evening papers. She was killed and another woman injured. The railway company paid for her funeral and a pension for her two children. Pellerin and conductor Mariette were both prosecuted. The engineer was fined 50 francs and sentenced to two months jail and the conductor fined 25 francs." - per Ray State.

The Gare Montparnasse was also the place where The old train station is also the place where the German commander of the Paris area General Von Choltitz, surrendered his garrison on August 25, 1944 after disobeying Hitler's direct order to destroy the French capital.

The railway station was destroyed in 1969. Another railways station was built a little further south.

Edited February 22, 2005 by brownie

[brownie]

Didn't realize I crashed into a Jan Garbarek thread

I'm outta here...

[JSngry]

He was a big fan of Russell's book " The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, a real bedtime read

I do not understand what you mean by this.

[tonym]

He was a big fan of Russell's book " The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, a real bedtime read

I do not understand what you mean by this.

It must mean there was a copy of Hustler tucked into the centre pages.

[JSngry]

That explains it, then.

The Amercian editions never had that, not even during the Carter administration.