Man with the Golden Arm Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 (edited) "basichip" (courtesy of the couw) is featuring the Kenyon Hopkins soundtrack from the James Garner film "Mister Buddwing". Check out these two tracks and please let us know who might be on the organ. Sounds very much like that RVG at the knobs and maybe the guy pulling the others is recognizable to some. your hard drive will be happy! EDITED: as the site has changed the source. New and HUGE lp covers included. I can delete these as well. Edited February 21, 2005 by Man with the Golden Arm Quote
robviti Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 hell, the basic chip site is featuring streaming audio of the entire soundtrack. very cool. just click on the album cover: mister buddwing soundtrack Quote
couw Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 this organ sounds mighty familiar! Didn't b3er post some days ago that he successfully identified 60 different organ players on some blindfold radio show? I found out that the Buddwing soundtrack was recorded in New York City on November 29, 1965 Quote
Man with the Golden Arm Posted February 20, 2005 Author Report Posted February 20, 2005 I found out that the Buddwing soundtrack was recorded in New York City on November 29, 1965 and let's see, who was Creed Taylor's organist of choice in the middle sixties? no it can't be. Quote
couw Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 I found out that the Buddwing soundtrack was recorded in New York City on November 29, 1965 and let's see, who was Creed Taylor's organist of choice in the middle sixties? no it can't be. the plot thickens! Quote
CJ Shearn Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 thats gotta be Jimmy, without a doubt. Quote
JSngry Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 That's what I was thinking... But geez, Jimmy was a star on Verve in 1965, you'd think that Verve would hype his appearance. Maybe it's that Jimmy Smith soundalike guy that Chuck was talking about in another thread? The plot does indeed thicken! Quote
couw Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Yes, you would indeed expect a big blurb on the cover shouting Jimmy at the buyer. Then again, it's only two tunes. Quote
JSngry Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Hey, two tunes is enough to merit a hype, especially on a soundtrack album. This IS the Record Business we're talking about, ya' know? Quote
JSngry Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Maybe it's that Jimmy Smith soundalike guy that Chuck was talking about in another thread? Lloyd Mayers, that's the cat: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16819 Quote
Soul Stream Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 You guys are nuts. That's not Jimmy Smith. It's Larry Young. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 I'm listening to the first track... that's not Jimmy. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 You guys are nuts. That's not Jimmy Smith. It's Larry Young. Could be, but I don't think so.... not slick enough... a little disjointed. Gotta keep listening. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 I think people are getting thrown off by the tone of the organ. It's very Jimmy Smith ala 1965 Verve in timbre, but it's not Jimmy Smith. The sound of the organ makes sense since this was recorded by RVG. The organist is playing more like Larry Young, but I don't think it's him. There is something "hesitant" about his/her playing. I could be wrong, but in 1965 Larry Young's playing was on fire. He was totally confident in the style he had created and if you listen to his records, he's holding nothing back. Even on Grant's "Iron City" which is poorly recorded (and again, can fool people into thinking it's not Young because the tone of the organ doesn't sound like the tone we associate with Young) he's not pulling any punches. Then again, it could be what the producer of the date wanted and there was some trepidation there. My guess is it's a local player that nobody really knows. Quote
Soul Stream Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Hmmm. I have absolutely no doubt that's Larry Young. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Hmmm. I have absolutely no doubt that's Larry Young. I don't know... there is something about the lines he/she is playing that make me think, "Oh, that's a Larry Young line...", kinda like when I hear a guitarist play a Grant line, but then it doesn't finish right or it goes into a line that's not really Larry Young or Grant Green, you know? I could definitely be wrong. Larry Young is a much better guess than Jimmy Smith. Quote
couw Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 I have no clue on the organist, but here is a nice site on Kenyon Hopkins. Quote
Soul Stream Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 (edited) I understand what you're saying Jim. However, I think the "hesitency" you talk about is perhaps the result of 2 things...Larry not being in the pocket as much because he's not playing organ bass, and secondly, trying to jam his style into this overblown orchestrated boogaloo and go-go song. It kind of makes me chuckle, it shows Larry is going to play his style no matter what! That's great. I think his playing is more recognizable on the second track because the song itself is a jazz waltz that lends itself more to Larry's style. THAT'S the track that really clenches it for me totally. The first track sounds a bit as if Johnny Hammond Smith had taken a Larry Young pill before the session. But it's still cleary Larry and Larry only in my mind even on that track. I just don't see how someone had totally absorbed Young's style to that degree by the mid sixties. Edited February 20, 2005 by Soul Stream Quote
JSngry Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Wow, I had only listened to the first track, but the suggestion that it's LArry young made me go back and listen to the second one. Sure sounds like Grant & Larry on that one... Hell, it's probably Dick Hyman. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Definitely Doug Carn! rod Actually, that's not a bad guess. Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Although that's a little early for Carn. Quote
brownie Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 This discography of Kenyon Hopkins sheds no light: http://www.dougpayne.com/khdisco.htm#MISTER%20BUDDWING My favorite Hopkins score remains the one he did for one of Elia Kazan's best (and forgotten) film 'Wild River' with Montgomery Clift and Lee Remick. Quote
Soul Stream Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 (edited) I gotta get this LP. Man, is the rest of the album consistent with these tracks? For my money...that's Larry Young. And although I don't hear Grant's usual approach on the first track ('cept for the decending gliss, a tell-tell Grant lick, which he uses over and over), I do hear it on the second. Either way, gotta get this. They have a "Buy It Now" of the LP on EBAY but it's 38 bucks. Edited February 20, 2005 by Soul Stream Quote
rostasi Posted February 20, 2005 Report Posted February 20, 2005 Although that's a little early for Carn. Well, I was thinkin that it was much too early, but Carn used to be "Young"ish, I think, in style. No light shed here, but an artcle/review at AAJ: Buddwing Anyway, great tracks! rod Quote
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