kh1958 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 On second and third listens I still like this quite a bit. It's one of Murray's best recordings of recent years (his group sounds terrific), plus Hal Singer plays very well, and quite adventurously. Maybe in the few spots his breath falls a little short, but really he's pretty awesome at 91. I got this from dustygroove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 There was a beautiful promo-video around... definitely one to get, thanks for the endorsement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Ordered yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 They also mean that his swing is funny. And that's something that still bugs me about him. He can swing his rapid-fire shit like a mofo, but his eighth notes still sound funny to me. And I don't know if he's yet to discover that between the eight & thirty-second notes lie the sixteenth note... But still, he does what he does and I have to think that his sense of swing is his own. If he really wanted it to be otherwise, it would be by now. And elsewhere: What I do find a bit tiring about Hawk sometimes, is his rather stiff phrasing. While harmonically, he's all over the place and then some, his phrases consisting almost entirely of eights can be a bit exhaustive. I used to have the same "problem" w/Hawk when I first started checking him out, but when I wasn't looking, it all fell into place fr me and I started hearing the other things in his playing that I still marvel at, notably the way that his tone fits inside his lines perfectly, and how even though his lines are predominately steady eith note oriented (but not as consistently as you might think, depending on the session), his accents and subtle-but-very-real tonal variations create a tension/release within those eight notes (and within his harmonic dissections) that is quite engaging once one becomes aware of it (and it's not always obvious, that's for sure). I'm just a listener, not a musician. Do Murray and Hawkins's rhythmic approaches have anything in common? Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Nah Guy, Murray just isn't all so much that he thinks he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 On second and third listens I still like this quite a bit. It's one of Murray's best recordings of recent years (his group sounds terrific), plus Hal Singer plays very well, and quite adventurously. Maybe in the few spots his breath falls a little short, but really he's pretty awesome at 91. I got this from dustygroove. Nice CD. I have it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 On second and third listens I still like this quite a bit. It's one of Murray's best recordings of recent years (his group sounds terrific), plus Hal Singer plays very well, and quite adventurously. Maybe in the few spots his breath falls a little short, but really he's pretty awesome at 91. I got this from dustygroove. Nice CD. I have it too. This CD caused me to buy a couple of Lafayette Gilchrist leader dates on Hyena, 3 (2007) and Soul Progressin' (2008)--both are good, but that seems to be the last from him as a leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 They also mean that his swing is funny. And that's something that still bugs me about him. He can swing his rapid-fire shit like a mofo, but his eighth notes still sound funny to me. And I don't know if he's yet to discover that between the eight & thirty-second notes lie the sixteenth note... But still, he does what he does and I have to think that his sense of swing is his own. If he really wanted it to be otherwise, it would be by now. And elsewhere: What I do find a bit tiring about Hawk sometimes, is his rather stiff phrasing. While harmonically, he's all over the place and then some, his phrases consisting almost entirely of eights can be a bit exhaustive. I used to have the same "problem" w/Hawk when I first started checking him out, but when I wasn't looking, it all fell into place fr me and I started hearing the other things in his playing that I still marvel at, notably the way that his tone fits inside his lines perfectly, and how even though his lines are predominately steady eith note oriented (but not as consistently as you might think, depending on the session), his accents and subtle-but-very-real tonal variations create a tension/release within those eight notes (and within his harmonic dissections) that is quite engaging once one becomes aware of it (and it's not always obvious, that's for sure). I'm just a listener, not a musician. Do Murray and Hawkins's rhythmic approaches have anything in common? Guy If there are any, I don't think there's any meaningful comparisons to be made of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) On second and third listens I still like this quite a bit. It's one of Murray's best recordings of recent years (his group sounds terrific), plus Hal Singer plays very well, and quite adventurously. Maybe in the few spots his breath falls a little short, but really he's pretty awesome at 91. I got this from dustygroove. Nice CD. I have it too. I agree, one of Murray's best recordings for ages. Maybe because it's such a straight ahead date. But then I'm a big fan. Edited May 24, 2011 by JohnS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarThrower Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I called it quits with Murray after the Sacred Ground CD. Ishmael Reed is such a huge turnoff. This guy is so full of himself and so angry it's pathetic. If he's such a towering intellectual, why can't he figure out that R. Crumb is not a racist? Edited May 24, 2011 by starthrower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Thanks Jim. Your comments on both threads seemed superficially similar to me, so I was curious. They also mean that his swing is funny. And that's something that still bugs me about him. He can swing his rapid-fire shit like a mofo, but his eighth notes still sound funny to me. And I don't know if he's yet to discover that between the eight & thirty-second notes lie the sixteenth note... But still, he does what he does and I have to think that his sense of swing is his own. If he really wanted it to be otherwise, it would be by now. And elsewhere: What I do find a bit tiring about Hawk sometimes, is his rather stiff phrasing. While harmonically, he's all over the place and then some, his phrases consisting almost entirely of eights can be a bit exhaustive. I used to have the same "problem" w/Hawk when I first started checking him out, but when I wasn't looking, it all fell into place fr me and I started hearing the other things in his playing that I still marvel at, notably the way that his tone fits inside his lines perfectly, and how even though his lines are predominately steady eith note oriented (but not as consistently as you might think, depending on the session), his accents and subtle-but-very-real tonal variations create a tension/release within those eight notes (and within his harmonic dissections) that is quite engaging once one becomes aware of it (and it's not always obvious, that's for sure). I'm just a listener, not a musician. Do Murray and Hawkins's rhythmic approaches have anything in common? Guy If there are any, I don't think there's any meaningful comparisons to be made of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Well, you gotta realize that "swing" was still very much a to-be-defined quantity when Hawk came up. Louis & Bechet had pretty much defined the quarter note, but the eight note was still open for negotiation, if you know what I mean. Murray's working in significantly more "clarified" times. Which is not to say that he doesn't swing, just that his swing is definitely on the outer edge of defined parameters in a time where those parameters have been in place for more than a little while, But like I said, as funny as it (and his tone and his vibrato) still seem to me sometimes, he's been doing it the same way for so long and so consistently that he must mean it, and he has continued to develop his skills to a pretty damn high level, so hey - he needs not defend himself afaic. But Hawk? Hell, Hawk thought like a cello player, played in territory bands, and just got out there and DID it in a way and place where it pretty much hadn't been done yet. Father Of MY Country (although Prez is my country's Heart & Soul, Hawk remains its Father)! Whole 'nother thing, that is, what Hawk did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 Anyone checked his FB page recently? Mr Murray is offering saxophone lessons in the NYC region.!.! Going to see him in the Amsterdam Bimhuis with Ingebrigt Haker Flaten and Paal Nilssen Love. Sounds like a dream group to me. I prefer Murray over Mats Gustafson anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Pim said: Anyone checked his FB page recently? Mr Murray is offering saxophone lessons in the NYC region.!.! Going to see him in the Amsterdam Bimhuis with Ingebrigt Haker Flaten and Paal Nilssen Love. Sounds like a dream group to me. I prefer Murray over Mats Gustafson anyway. Would be interesting to hear modern-day Murray in this kind of space... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 Shit, that would be good to hear. I saw him not too long ago with Kahil El'Zabar and he sounded great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Saw him with JD Allen in January at the NYC Winter Jazzfest. A real blowing session! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Working my way through the Murray Black Saint boxes... “Morning Song” is a really great session! Highly recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: Working my way through the Murray Black Saint boxes... “Morning Song” is a really great session! Highly recommended. Hicks + Workman + Blackwell .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 54 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: Working my way through the Murray Black Saint boxes... “Morning Song” is a really great session! Highly recommended. You should do a Google search of past Organissimo discussion of Morning Song and David Murray's abilities (at that point in time). LOL! Harsh. I like the Black Saint albums, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, erwbol said: You should do a Google search of past Organissimo discussion of Morning Song and David Murray's abilities (at that point in time). LOL! Harsh. I like the Black Saint albums, by the way. I remember that, it was amusing Edited October 26, 2019 by Guy Berger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 This Saturday in Baltimore, caught David with special guests Archie Shepp, Grachan Moncur III and Dave Burrell. They were in town for the Paris/Algiers conference at Johns Hopkins. I was in the front row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, bertrand said: This Saturday in Baltimore, caught David with special guests Archie Shepp, Grachan Moncur III and Dave Burrell. They were in town for the Paris/Algiers conference at Johns Hopkins. I was in the front row. That's a hell of a line up. How was Moncur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin V Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, bertrand said: This Saturday in Baltimore, caught David with special guests Archie Shepp, Grachan Moncur III and Dave Burrell. They were in town for the Paris/Algiers conference at Johns Hopkins. I was in the front row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Listening to THE HILL w/Richard Davis and Joe Chambers. Really good, one of my fave of Murray’s later Black Saints. Davis en fuego. Edited August 9, 2020 by Guy Berger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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