flat5 Posted August 28, 2006 Report Posted August 28, 2006 I've been listening to Sonny since 1962. I have most of his recordings to 1967. Some after. My favorite record, for inventiveness and structure is the RCA "Our Man In Jazz". There are so many gems through the years... Quote
brownie Posted March 24, 2007 Report Posted March 24, 2007 Sonny Rollins with Henri Grimes and Pete LaRoca play 'Weaver of Dreams' in Laren, Holland, in early 1959 Sonny Rollins trio 1959 Quote
erhodes Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Sonny Rollins with Henri Grimes and Pete LaRoca play 'Weaver of Dreams' in Laren, Holland, in early 1959 Fabulous piece of video... My Rollins disco sources do not show a Laren date in the '59 tour. I do show a 2/21/59 date in Amersterdam at the Singer Concertzaal with Art Taylor on drums. That's the only concert I show with "Weaver of Dreams". Can anyone clarify? Bownie, can you doublecheck? Quote
Late Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 That is a thing of beauty ... My discography doesn't show a Holland concert either, but that looks like Pete LaRoca on drums ... I think. At any rate — man! — I wish the whole concert was out on disc, or (even better?) DVD. Quote
brownie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Sonny Rollins with Henri Grimes and Pete LaRoca play 'Weaver of Dreams' in Laren, Holland, in early 1959 Fabulous piece of video... My Rollins disco sources do not show a Laren date in the '59 tour. I do show a 2/21/59 date in Amersterdam at the Singer Concertzaal with Art Taylor on drums. That's the only concert I show with "Weaver of Dreams". Can anyone clarify? Bownie, can you doublecheck? The same video is also on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4LBDbcCR-E I have no reason to doubt the accompanying description: 29 year old Sonny Rollins with just bass and drums is playing "Weaver of Dreams" in the Netherlands in the Singer Theatre in the small town of Laren in 1959. A Dutch collector was able to make me some unique video clips. In one of the opening shot of the video, there is a poster hanging in the background which announces concerts by Horace Silver and Sonny Rollins who were touring Europe at the time. Saw both Silver and Rollins at the Club Saint-Germain in Paris in early 1959. Quote
brownie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 There is a DVD with that Rollins trio performance which gives the date as February 21, 1959... http://www.michaelbreckerliverecordings.co...tistsPage8.html Quote
erhodes Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Sonny Rollins with Henri Grimes and Pete LaRoca play 'Weaver of Dreams' in Laren, Holland, in early 1959 Fabulous piece of video... My Rollins disco sources do not show a Laren date in the '59 tour. I do show a 2/21/59 date in Amersterdam at the Singer Concertzaal with Art Taylor on drums. That's the only concert I show with "Weaver of Dreams". Can anyone clarify? Bownie, can you doublecheck? I have no reason to doubt the accompanying description: 29 year old Sonny Rollins with just bass and drums is playing "Weaver of Dreams" in the Netherlands in the Singer Theatre in the small town of Laren in 1959. A Dutch collector was able to make me some unique video clips. Singer Theatre probably equals Singer Concertzaal. The only questions then would be what Laren's relationship is with Amsterdam and whether or not it's LaRoca or Taylor on the drums. Can anyone identify the drummer from the video? Quote
brownie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Singer Theatre probably equals Singer Concertzaal. The only questions then would be what Laren's relationship is with Amsterdam and whether or not it's LaRoca or Taylor on the drums. Can anyone identify the drummer from the video? I am positive it is LaRoca. The Rollins trio (with Grimes and LaRoca) played at the Club Saint-Germain in Paris from February 23 to 29. Heard them twice there. Laren is a city north of Amsterdam. The Singer concerthall in Laren Quote
sidewinder Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 [Laren is a city north of Amsterdam. The Singer concerthall in Laren Presumably this is also the venue for the Rhapsody Films release 'Sonny Rollins - Live at Laren' (1973) Quote
Aggie87 Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 bump... According to musictap.net: Fantasy Records will release Sonny Rollins by Sonny Rollins on September 25. Anybody know what this is? Reissue? Comp? Allmusic isn't cooperating with me today, so I couldn't look it up there. Quote
Free For All Posted September 26, 2007 Report Posted September 26, 2007 (edited) I got this new release email from Amazon. An interesting compilation of his Europe appearances, but kind of a strange description. And what's up with the spelling? "Soneymoon"? WTF? Soneymoon Sonny Rollins Release Date: October 2, 2007 Album Details This Amazing Double Album Collects Some of the Best Sessions from the Height of the European ‘season of Jazz’ When Many of the Best American Jazzmen Sought and Found Refuge and Comfort in the Smoky Dark Venues of Existentialist Mitteleuropa, Away from the High Tension of the Violent Civil Rights Battles Raging Back Home. Recorded Between 1963 and 1966, These Live Gigs Performed by the Sonny Rollins/Don Cherry Quartet (Paris, January, 1963); The Sonny Rollins Quintet with Members of the Modern Jazz Quartet (Berlin, Oct. 30, 1965); And the Sonny Rollins Trio (Graz, Austria, Nov. 12, 1966) Showcase the Magnificent Sounds that Made Rollins One of the Top Horn Players of his Day and One of the Most Interesting, Prolific, and Long-lasting Jazz Icons of all Time. EDIT: BTW, the label is "Get Back Italy". Hmmm....... Edited September 26, 2007 by Free For All Quote
Joe G Posted September 26, 2007 Report Posted September 26, 2007 That is a Rather Strange Description, I Must Say. Quote
Kalo Posted September 26, 2007 Report Posted September 26, 2007 For one thing, what's with all the capitalized words? Makes it seem like the whole description is one long title for the CD. Quote
bluesbro Posted September 26, 2007 Report Posted September 26, 2007 I got this new release email from Amazon. An interesting compilation of his Europe appearances, but kind of a strange description. And what's up with the spelling? "Soneymoon"? WTF? Soneymoon Sonny Rollins Release Date: October 2, 2007 Album Details This Amazing Double Album Collects Some of the Best Sessions from the Height of the European ‘season of Jazz’ When Many of the Best American Jazzmen Sought and Found Refuge and Comfort in the Smoky Dark Venues of Existentialist Mitteleuropa, Away from the High Tension of the Violent Civil Rights Battles Raging Back Home. Recorded Between 1963 and 1966, These Live Gigs Performed by the Sonny Rollins/Don Cherry Quartet (Paris, January, 1963); The Sonny Rollins Quintet with Members of the Modern Jazz Quartet (Berlin, Oct. 30, 1965); And the Sonny Rollins Trio (Graz, Austria, Nov. 12, 1966) Showcase the Magnificent Sounds that Made Rollins One of the Top Horn Players of his Day and One of the Most Interesting, Prolific, and Long-lasting Jazz Icons of all Time. EDIT: BTW, the label is "Get Back Italy". Hmmm....... I ordered a copy from cduniverse. Im in for any live Sonny Quote
erhodes Posted September 27, 2007 Report Posted September 27, 2007 I got this new release email from Amazon. An interesting compilation of his Europe appearances... Soneymoon Sonny Rollins Release Date: October 2, 2007 Album Details This Amazing Double Album Collects Some of the Best Sessions from the Height of the European ‘season of Jazz’ When Many of the Best American Jazzmen Sought and Found Refuge and Comfort in the Smoky Dark Venues of Existentialist Mitteleuropa, Away from the High Tension of the Violent Civil Rights Battles Raging Back Home. Recorded Between 1963 and 1966, These Live Gigs Performed by the Sonny Rollins/Don Cherry Quartet (Paris, January, 1963); The Sonny Rollins Quintet with Members of the Modern Jazz Quartet (Berlin, Oct. 30, 1965); And the Sonny Rollins Trio (Graz, Austria, Nov. 12, 1966) Showcase the Magnificent Sounds that Made Rollins One of the Top Horn Players of his Day and One of the Most Interesting, Prolific, and Long-lasting Jazz Icons of all Time. EDIT: BTW, the label is "Get Back Italy". Hmmm....... This material has been booted before. The 1/19/63 Paris date came out on lp on Unique Jazz and on cd on Magnetic and JazzUp (there may be more). I believe the Berlin set is partly on Unique Jazz UJ 29, though the lp lists Kenny Drew on piano rather than John Lewis. The trio portion of the Graz concert was split between that album and Jazz Connoisseur JC 108. The description of the new release sounds like straight up boot speech to me. The question is what is the source material and sound quality. The JazzUp releases were barely listenable. Also, the Graz concert came out a step or half step fast, presumably so they could fit tracks on one side of an lp. It will be interesting to see whether the Graz portion of the new release has the same problem. If it does, that suggests a needle drop. Speed problems aside, the version of "Lover" from Graz comes as close as anything ever does to being my favorite Rollins solo. For those unfamiliar with this material, it should be noted that it is not just any trio. The drummer is Max Roach and the performance of Max's own group from the same Graz date has also been preserved. It would seem that Max's group would perform and then Max's horn players and pianist would leave the stage and Sonny would do a set with Max and Jimmy Meritt. There are also recordings of the trio on the same tour from Paris and Copenhagen and a quartet performance that includes Roach's pianist, Ronnie Matthews, from Reading University in England. Spectacular stuff. Quote
bluesbro Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 I got this new release email from Amazon. An interesting compilation of his Europe appearances... Soneymoon Sonny Rollins Release Date: October 2, 2007 Album Details This Amazing Double Album Collects Some of the Best Sessions from the Height of the European ‘season of Jazz’ When Many of the Best American Jazzmen Sought and Found Refuge and Comfort in the Smoky Dark Venues of Existentialist Mitteleuropa, Away from the High Tension of the Violent Civil Rights Battles Raging Back Home. Recorded Between 1963 and 1966, These Live Gigs Performed by the Sonny Rollins/Don Cherry Quartet (Paris, January, 1963); The Sonny Rollins Quintet with Members of the Modern Jazz Quartet (Berlin, Oct. 30, 1965); And the Sonny Rollins Trio (Graz, Austria, Nov. 12, 1966) Showcase the Magnificent Sounds that Made Rollins One of the Top Horn Players of his Day and One of the Most Interesting, Prolific, and Long-lasting Jazz Icons of all Time. EDIT: BTW, the label is "Get Back Italy". Hmmm....... This material has been booted before. The 1/19/63 Paris date came out on lp on Unique Jazz and on cd on Magnetic and JazzUp (there may be more). I believe the Berlin set is partly on Unique Jazz UJ 29, though the lp lists Kenny Drew on piano rather than John Lewis. The trio portion of the Graz concert was split between that album and Jazz Connoisseur JC 108. The description of the new release sounds like straight up boot speech to me. The question is what is the source material and sound quality. The JazzUp releases were barely listenable. Also, the Graz concert came out a step or half step fast, presumably so they could fit tracks on one side of an lp. It will be interesting to see whether the Graz portion of the new release has the same problem. If it does, that suggests a needle drop. Speed problems aside, the version of "Lover" from Graz comes as close as anything ever does to being my favorite Rollins solo. For those unfamiliar with this material, it should be noted that it is not just any trio. The drummer is Max Roach and the performance of Max's own group from the same Graz date has also been preserved. It would seem that Max's group would perform and then Max's horn players and pianist would leave the stage and Sonny would do a set with Max and Jimmy Meritt. There are also recordings of the trio on the same tour from Paris and Copenhagen and a quartet performance that includes Roach's pianist, Ronnie Matthews, from Reading University in England. Spectacular stuff. I got my copy two days ago and it sounds very good. I dont think this is a needle drop, the source is obviously not a professional recording, but it sounds very, very good all things consider. I am happy I got this one and have been playing it a lot. I cant comment on whether the speed is off or not. I didnt notice anything weird tough. Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted November 19, 2008 Report Posted November 19, 2008 I listened to Sonny Rollins Plus Four over the weekend, and have to say it is one of my all time favorites. Same here.....'Pent-Up House' is perfect! I only have the european ZYX (OJC) digi which seems pretty good, but I've never heard the RVG or MFSL. Am I missing out on anything? Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 19, 2008 Report Posted November 19, 2008 is that the same as Music Minus One? Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted November 19, 2008 Report Posted November 19, 2008 What are you implying? Rollins bites? The session bites? ..or I bite? If it's the last one...well, I can live with that! Quote
BruceH Posted November 19, 2008 Report Posted November 19, 2008 is that the same as Music Minus One? No, "Three Plus One Minus Zero" --a new rap group. Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 20, 2008 Report Posted November 20, 2008 well, with Sonny's current groups I always wanna subtract at least two - and maybe more - Quote
marcello Posted November 20, 2008 Report Posted November 20, 2008 I've only heard one cut on the radio (Tenor Madness from 2000) and was underwhelmed. I don't know who picked these cuts, but there must be hundreds of better ones to choose from. It's one of those performances that are deceiving; Sonny is playing his ass off and saying nothing at the same time. And why, in God's name, does he carry a percussionist around? Especially on the ballads! Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 20, 2008 Report Posted November 20, 2008 I tell you, it's been like that for over 20 years - Sonny's one of those guys who, as soom as he took over his own production (well, really Lucille) everything went down hill. Too much ego, in a strange and veiled way - Quote
BruceH Posted November 21, 2008 Report Posted November 21, 2008 I tell you, it's been like that for over 20 years - Sonny's one of those guys who, as soom as he took over his own production (well, really Lucille) everything went down hill. Too much ego, in a strange and veiled way - Kind of like actors becoming their own producers? Quote
JSngry Posted November 21, 2008 Report Posted November 21, 2008 And why, in God's name, does he carry a percussionist around? Especially on the ballads! I like the percussionist. It opens up the time. Quote
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