J.A.W. Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 Claude said: Hans, does that include the Mobile Fidelity CD? No, it doesn't - I've never heard the MoFi CD (forgot about it until you mentioned it), so I guess I should have said "...compared to the others that I've heard..." Quote
shawn·m Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 P.D. said: Seems a liitle odd if so. Shouldn't such statements be on the outside of the package??? And so it is. “Buyer beware” fine print is plainly visible on the outside of the case. Frankly, I’m so disgusted by this release that I emailed Blue Note. New SACD mastering that can’t surpass, let alone match old CD mastering will kill SACD faster than anything. Quote
J.A.W. Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 (edited) kartoffel·hadi blues said: Frankly, I’m so disgusted by this release that I emailed Blue Note. This looks likely to be another "one-way e-mail"... I'd be very surprised if you'd get a reply. Edited June 14, 2003 by J.A.W. Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 (edited) I have learned when it involves RVG & Blue Note to take a wait and see approach. Especially when quality control and Blue Note do not go together. Sorry for using my friends here as guinea pigs. :rsmile: Edited June 14, 2003 by Mnytime Quote
shawn·m Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 J.A.W. said: This looks likely to be another "one-way e-mail"... I'd be very surprised if you'd get a reply. I suspect you’re right, but this is complete and total bullshit. This doubly sucks since I was one of the original guys publicly pushing BN for this title on SACD. Quote
davef Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 Playing a couple of cuts as I write, concur with everyone else that there is a boost in treble and a bit on the bright side... not horrible, but definitely not the best SACD out there. Quote
shawn·m Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 (edited) Mnytime said: I have learned when it involves RVG & Blue Note to take a wait and see approach. Especially when quality control and Blue Note do not go together. Sorry for using my friends here as guinea pigs. :rsmile: It is not a quality control issue when flaws are the result of a re-mastering engineer’s preference. There was hope; I still maintain Rudy did a good job of preserving dynamic range on the recent Capuchin Swing, so there’s absolutely no excuse for this “pumping” SACD mess. Hell, I was going to wait it out too... Edited June 14, 2003 by kartoffel·hadi blues Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 kartoffel·hadi blues said: Mnytime said: I have learned when it involves RVG & Blue Note to take a wait and see approach. Especially when quality control and Blue Note do not go together. Sorry for using my friends here as guinea pigs. :rsmile: It is not a quality control issue when flaws are the result of a re-mastering engineer’s preference. There was hope; I still maintain Rudy did a good job of preserving dynamic range on the recent Capuchin Swing, but there’s absolutely no excuse for this “pumping” SACD mess. Hell, I was going to wait it out too... Which is why I didn't included RVG in the quality control portion of that statement. Quote
shawn·m Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 Mnytime said: Which is why I didn't included RVG in the quality control portion of that statement. Point taken. Hey everybody, sorry for venting, but sometimes… sometimes… Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 I don’t see a reason to apologize. We all vent when we spend our money on lousy sounding CDs. The one thing that concerned me about the labels getting into the whole SACD format is that they rush in like they did with regular CDs and we get terrible masterings just like in the 80’s. Though so far I really haven’t noticed that with SACDs as of yet. Quote
Claude Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 Greg likes it: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hirez/me...ges/140971.html You must all have the polarity wrong Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 Greg is posting as Jazz Inmate over there? Though it really should be Mental Inmate. Quote
shawn·m Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 I know that there are plenty of folks that genuinely love Van Gelder’s re-masters, so I’ll definitely take a wait-and-see Blue Note SACD stance in the future. I just don’t get it, I just don’t. I think I’ve said just about everything I can without repeating myself. It’s probably best to move on. And please, is there and SACD Greg doesn’t love? Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 Greg appears not to have as much problem with the reverb. He seems to find this as a sign of the quality of the remastering RVG did for this SACD. I believe there where a couple SACDs did not like. You would think I would remember their titles considering how rare that was, but I can't. Quote
J.A.W. Posted June 14, 2003 Report Posted June 14, 2003 (edited) kartoffel·hadi blues said: I know that there are plenty of folks that genuinely love Van Gelder’s re-masters, so I’ll definitely take a wait-and-see Blue Note SACD stance in the future. I just don’t get it, I just don’t. I think I’ve said just about everything I can without repeating myself. It’s probably best to move on. Sorry, I don't understand - are you taking a wait-and-see approach because plenty of folks genuinely love RVG’s remasters? Well, I'm certainly not one of them... err... I don't want to repeat myself either Edited June 14, 2003 by J.A.W. Quote
shawn·m Posted June 15, 2003 Report Posted June 15, 2003 Mnytime said: The one thing that concerned me about the labels getting into the whole SACD format is that they rush in like they did with regular CDs and we get terrible masterings just like in the 80’s. Though so far I really haven’t noticed that with SACDs as of yet. Oh, nearly forgot… I don’t have many SACDs, maybe 20. Blue Train is the first to disappoint. I also have Van Gelder’s Love Supreme SACD, and although I’m sure he used some degree of compression, I don’t hear any overt pumping. It certainly never caused me to bolt off the sofa and re-wire my system to see what the hell was going on. Quote
shawn·m Posted June 15, 2003 Report Posted June 15, 2003 J.A.W. said: Sorry, I don't understand - are you taking a wait-and-see approach because plenty of folks genuinely love RVG’s remasters? Fair question. If Blue Note is producing hybrids in an effort to please as many people as possible, and if Rudy’s re-masters are held in high regard by the majority… then Blue Note may continue producing over-compressed SACD crap. Quote
J.A.W. Posted June 15, 2003 Report Posted June 15, 2003 (edited) kartoffel·hadi blues said: J.A.W. said: Sorry, I don't understand - are you taking a wait-and-see approach because plenty of folks genuinely love RVG’s remasters? Fair question. If Blue Note is producing hybrids in an effort to please as many people as possible, and if Rudy’s re-masters are held in high regard by the majority… then Blue Note may continue producing over-compressed SACD crap. Ah, I see what you mean. I'm afraid you may be right... Edited June 15, 2003 by J.A.W. Quote
grey Posted June 15, 2003 Report Posted June 15, 2003 We sampled the Blue Train SACD yesterday. As a demonstration of the quality of SACD this one will not win over any converts. Quote
Claude Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 I received the "Blue Train" and "Black Dahlia" SACDs today. I am only able to listen with headphones right now, so I won't comment on the frequency balance of "Blue Train", but I noticed that on the "Black Dahlia" SACD, the channels are reversed between the CD and SACD stereo layer. The multichannel layer is correct. Looks like another Blue Note quality control issue. Quote
shawn·m Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Turns out Blue Train is getting a pretty good trashing on Steve Hoffman’s site, too. Looks like Greg tried an uncommon defense, and Steve had a couple interesting things to say. Hoffman thread Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 (edited) This is an interesting post by Steve Hoffman from that thread. I didn't know that the master is a redubbing. "As I mentioned in a really old thread the so called "master" of "Blue Train" is actually a redubbing of the stereo twin-track tape with narrowed in channels. The new version narrows it even more." By the way, everyone in the thread including Hoffman is complaing about it being bright and narrow and Greg's answer is it's their system. You gotta believe Hoffman has to have a decent system. Edited June 18, 2003 by Mnytime Quote
shawn·m Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Think I'll re-buy the original Blue Train CD. My SACD version now resides in a landfill somewhere. Quote
Man with the Golden Arm Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Thanks for that thread uber-tuber. Great to read some Greg again. He sounds like a pompous prairie dog amidst a herd o' bison. Ring up Mr. Tanno and get the right version of this ya'll. Quote
RDK Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Yep, it's another case of Greg never meeting an SACD he didn't like. Quote
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