Christiern Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 I thought Dave Brubeck was Native-American. Quote
Bright Moments Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 steven bernstein (diaspora soul) david chevan Quote
jlhoots Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Greg Cohen Joey Baron Jenny Scheinman Uri Caine ? Dave Douglas Quote
JSngry Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 There's that whole "New York Tenor" school - Liebman, Grossman, Brecker, Berg, Mintzer. This in a parallell to the whole "Brothers" school of Lester Young disciples of a few years earlier. In fact, I once drew a cartoon of Prez greeting Trane at the Pearly Gates, extending his hand and saying, "You too?". Nobody I showed it to got the joke... Historically, the biggest non-African-American contributions to jazz have come from Jewish-Americans & Italiain-Americans. Why that is probably as much sociological as musicological, but Dan Morgenstern, in the notes to a Sonny Berman Onyx LP entitled, iirc, SOME BEAUTIFUL JEWISH MUSIC, went into a bit of commentary about the similarity between the melismatic, "wailing" quality of certain cantorial (NOT Eddie! ) traditions and jazz. Pretty interesting stuff. And speaking of Ziggy Ellman, is it "common knowledge" that his classic solo bit on Goodman's "And The Angels Sing" was based on a traditional Jewish dance/rhythm? Sorry, I don't remember exactly which, but it was called a fralich or something like that. Again, sorry I don't know the exact name. I'd be more than glad to be enlightened, however. Whatever, it was an early (and overt) use of what I guess could be called "Klezmer" elements in a "mainstream" setting. Quote
slide_advantage_redoux Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 (edited) Although his wide spread fame was made as a comic, he started out as a big band sax player.....Sid Caeser. Also, this may have suggested already. There is a good book on Klesmer music, and it touches on the evolution of Jewish musicians in America. It doesn't neccessarily address jazz specifically, but it is a good book worth having on the reference shelf. The author is Henry Sapoznik, and the book is entitled "Klezmer (Jewish music from old world to our world)" good luck Edited February 7, 2005 by slide_advantage_redoux Quote
cannonball-addict Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 As a Jew myself, I had wanted to start this thread for a while but I thought it would encounter backlash as the black opionion thread did. Stan Getz! Lennie Niehaus Flora Purim Harry Connick, Jr. Ben Sidran Add to the young generation: Kurt Rosenwinkel Chris Potter Ben Perowsky (bassist) Fima Ephron Adam Rodgers (brecker's guitarist) Mark Feldman David Fiuczynski Aaron Goldberg both Avishai Cohens (trumpeter and bassist) I think as far as knowledge of yiddishkeit, Don Byron could be a Jew. In fact, in addition to the Mickey Katz record, he played in Hankus Netsky's fabulous Klezmer Conservatory Band when he was a student at NEC. p.s. - I really don't think dave douglas is jewish though I was thinking about it recently. Quote
brownie Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Georgie Auld Ruby Braff Serge Chaloff Victor Feldman Herb Geller Burton Greene Shelly Manne Some Europeans: Sacha Distel Ronnie Scott Martial Solal Rene Urtreger Quote
Don Brown Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Marky Markowitz Sam Staff Hymie Schertzer Sam Marowitz Sam Margolis Shorty Rogers (Milton Rajonsky) Al Cohn George Wettling Marty Flax (Martin Flachsenhaar) Lou Stein Chubby Jackson Sid Weiss Lou Fromm Joey Bushkin Max Kaminsky George Wein Quote
Dmitry Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Posted February 7, 2005 Serge Chaloff I think Chaloff was Russian [not a Jew of Russian descent]. Quote
Big Wheel Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Marty Ehrlich, I think. Isn't Ben Perowsky a drummer? Quote
Fran Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Sammy Davis, Jr. Doesn't count - as I believe we are looking at ethnic influence. Quote
robviti Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 And speaking of Ziggy Ellman, is it "common knowledge" that his classic solo bit on Goodman's "And The Angels Sing" was based on a traditional Jewish dance/rhythm? Sorry, I don't remember exactly which, but it was called a fralich or something like that. "And The Angels Sing," also known as "Freylekh In Swing," is an adaption of "Der Shtiller Bulgar." Quote
JSngry Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 And speaking of Ziggy Ellman, is it "common knowledge" that his classic solo bit on Goodman's "And The Angels Sing" was based on a traditional Jewish dance/rhythm? Sorry, I don't remember exactly which, but it was called a fralich or something like that. "And The Angels Sing," also known as "Freylekh In Swing," is an adaption of "Der Shtiller Bulgar." I appreciate that info, and found HERE that The FREYLEKH ('joyful'), also called 'hopke', 'redl', 'karahod', 'dreydl', 'kaylekhiks' or 'rikudl', is a lively Jewish circle dance. A lyrical joyful piece could also be called freylekh. The freylekhs can also be heard as lyrical pieces in a joyful mood. Quote
Fran Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Besides Alfred Lion and Frank Wolff, many independent jazz (or other type of music) record producers were of Jewish descent: Bob Weinstock Don Schlitten Lester Koenig Herman Lubinsky Max & Sol Weiss Moses Ash Milt Gabler ? Herb Abramson Their importance for the jazz scene can hardly be underestimated. No question on Milt Gabler - Commodore Records Founder And he was Billy Crystal's uncle - as Crystal has often commmented Quote
Jazz Kat Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Julius Wechter, Tonni Kalash, Bernie Fleischer. Quote
Fran Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 also: Paul Whiteman Harry James Ziggy Elman Mel Torme Herbie Mann Herb Alpert and don't forget great composers who provided a starting point for jazz improvisation: Irv-ing Berlin Jerome Kern George and Ira Gershwin Oscar Hammerstein Richard Rogers Lorenz Hart Alan Lerner and Frederick Loewe Harold Arlen and Yip Harburg Are you sure - Harry James? Quote
JSngry Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Are you sure - Harry James? http://www.jinfo.org/Conductors.html Quote
brownie Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Serge Chaloff I think Chaloff was Russian [not a Jew of Russian descent]. Serge Chaloff's mother was not jewish indeed. She was a Presbyterian. But his father was. Even if he converted to Christianity 'after getting miffed at the rabbi from his synagogue who was pressuring him for money' (quote from Vladimir Simosko's biography of Serge Chaloff). Quote
maren Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Byron could be a Jew. In fact, in addition to the Mickey Katz record, he played in Hankus Netsky's fabulous Klezmer Conservatory Band when he was a student at NEC. p.s. - I really don't think dave douglas is jewish though I was thinking about it recently. Don is not Jewish, but you're absolutely right about knowledge of Yiddishkeit. I think you're also right that Dave Douglas isn't. But Josh Roseman (trombone on "Don Byron Plays the Music of Mickey Katz") definitely IS. Quote
maren Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Marc Ribot Anthony Coleman (with one of the great band names of all time: "Sephardic Tinge") Quote
brownie Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Dave Amran Joel Futterman Errol Parker Lou Soloff Quote
maren Posted February 7, 2005 Report Posted February 7, 2005 Borah Bergman Andrea Parkins Zeena Parkins Fima Ephron Ellery Eskelin (I think) Quote
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