sonic1 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 Forgive me if you all already have a thread of this nature. But I couldn't locate one with the search tools. How much interest is there here in this genre (forgive the moniker)? Jared Quote
Craig23 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 Am interested in it. Know very liittle about it. Which artists would you suggest to get started? Quote
sonic1 Posted January 30, 2005 Author Report Posted January 30, 2005 my favorites are: Otomo Yoshihide Sachiko M Toshi Nakamura Günter Müller Keith Rowe Christian Fennesz and labels: Improvised Music From Japan Erstwhile For 4 Ears BoxMedia BoxMedia was my first encounter with the genre, though I think Erstwhile sums it up better than anyone. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 Sonic1, isn't there plenty of discussion about this over on Jazz Corner? It has become a contentious topic over there. It seems to start up the same ol' "What is Jazz" stuff. Why bring that over here? I'd just as soon see it stay over there. If anyone wants to do some research, the first thread they started over there about this music can be found here. They eventually closed that one (because it got too big) and started a new one here. Later, Kevin Quote
sonic1 Posted January 30, 2005 Author Report Posted January 30, 2005 Kevin, there is a different group of people here. The friction on the JC has nothing to do necessarily with EAI-that is more friction of personalities. I don't see why not discuss this here if anyone is interested. I am not trying to bring up it's relavence to jazz or anything like that. I just want to see what people are listening to. Quote
Guest Chaney Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 Oh, c'mon Kevin. We have threads on all types of music so why not EAI? Admirers of EAI aren't lepers, ferchrissake. If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion, why not look and move on? (As I will now do...) Quote
JSngry Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 I've been involed in some EAI work myself (Cap'n Sambeaux's International Adventure Tours), and find it to provide a type of creative headroom that trying to play jazz styles of yore doesn't necessarily offer. Of course, with both styles, it depends on the players, and I myself am not too comfortable working with players (or music) who aren't strongly rooted in a strong awareness, at least, of the styles and techniques of the past. "Noise for the sake of noise" just doesn't interest me at this point of my life, but finding/exploring new ways to improvise and new contexts/mindsets to do so does. With all due respect, Kevin, I think it's a perfectly valid form of music and see no reason why you should want to block a discussion of it here. We can all think for ourselves, thank you. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 It's unfortunate that some of the biggest proponents of EAI over on the Jazz Corner are also some of the most arrogant people on Jazz Corner. Their put-downs of fans of stright-ahead jazz get old fast. This board, while open to all styles of Jazz, is much more into straight-ahead styles. If the less open-minded EAI fans from other boards drift on over, I can see this discussion going nowhere but downhill... and fast. Look, I ain't gonna stop ya, and I ain't gonna engage ya in it either. Every EAI disc I've sampled just hasn't been my style at all. I don't dig it. Hey, if the discussion stays in this thread and I simply ignore it, I guess I should ju............... Quote
7/4 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 Oh, c'mon Kevin. We have threads on all types of music so why not EAI? Admirers of EAI aren't lepers, ferchrissake. Back off Chaney, don't breathe on me! Quote
Joe Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 A lot of the differences I can see center around personalities and rhetoric, not the music itself. Quote
John B Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 I agree. Most of the bickering and put downs over at JC have nothing whatsoever to do with music of any genre. People just have problems with each other and choose to poison threads repeatedly with their bickering. It is really annoying. There has been some discussin of eai in the Funny Rat thread here, but not a whole lot. My impression is that a few people here (myself included) are very interested in eai. I think the discussions over at JC are as well informed and interesting as any I have come across, with the exception of the bickering mentioned above. I Hate Music (a tiny little division of Bagatellen) also has some people who are extremely knowledgeable and interested in eai. Personally I have a much harder time getting into the Japanese scene versus the stuff coming out of Vienna. In addition to the musicians Jared listed I am also really enjoying releases by Martin Siewert, Martin Brandlmayr, Burkhard Beins, Marcus Schmickler, Thomas Lehn, Kevin Drumm, efzeg, dieb13, MIMEO, etc.... One of the problems with discussions of "eai" is the extremely wide range of sounds that can all fall under that umbrella term. Good Morning, Good Night has very little to do with AMM has very little to do with efzeg has very little to do with MIMEO, especially for someone who is new to this type of music. Quote
jon abbey Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 I've already been chiming in on the Funny Rat thread when "eai"-related topics come up, so would probably do so here also if this thread continues, assuming that's OK with Kevin, of course. B-) Quote
John B Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 You can hang Jon. You know, that can be read in two very different ways. Quote
Guest Chaney Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 I need to look at the "Funny Rat" thread, but there's something a bit daunting about going thru 100+ pages... You can't go wrong if you read only my posts. Any opinions of this one?: I can't say that I'm currently a fan of EAI but I do love the Hat label. Anyone? Quote
7/4 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 (edited) You can hang Jon. You know, that can be read in two very different ways. Musican's lingo. I've met Jon a few times. One time in line for Evan Parker and someone processing his sax into hall of mirrors. Firehouse, Tribecca? We were with Bruce G. and Jon was giving Bruce his thoughts on Zorn. Edited January 31, 2005 by 7/4 Quote
John B Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 I need to look at the "Funny Rat" thread, but there's something a bit daunting about going thru 100+ pages... You can't go wrong if you read only my posts. Any opinions of this one?: I can't say that I'm currently a fan of EAI but I do love the Hat label. Anyone? I have that one sitting here but have not gotten around to listening to it yet. I'll let you know my thoughts once I do. Read Funny Rat a few pages at a time when you are bored. There is a lot fo great info tucked away in there, as well as some silliness from posters with Erstwhile avatars. Quote
John B Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 We were with Bruce G. and Jon was giving Bruce his thoughts on Zorn. That must have been priceless. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a Keith Rowe / Fennesz show at MIT. I'm hoping to make it down to NYC later on this year if Amplify 2005 is finalized. Quote
jon abbey Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 hey, Rod! and 7/4, are you David B.? I do like going off on Zorn occasionally for Bruce's benefit. on a side note, nice to see Zorn gracing us with a upcoming double CD of outtakes that didn't make the cut for the original ten or so discs of acoustic Masada. I'm not crazy about the Erik M/Fennesz, it's desperately in need of some editing. both have done much better work elsewhere, IMO. John, all three of the musicians have agreed to do AMPLIFY 2005, so it's fairly definite, we just need a venue. I'll focus more on this after I finish moving next week sometime. Quote
sonic1 Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Posted January 31, 2005 I will also check out the funny rat thread. But it would be nice to have our own EAI thread. I am waiting for my Filament Box set in the mail. I am a big fan of the Tokyo stuff. I agree it is very different from the europeans output, but I think even the europeans are quite different from one another. The japanese have onkyo as an influence, which might give them the more cold, noise sounding stuff. As far as musicians being rooted in jazz-as a tenor sax player, and being quite rooted in jazz (but also simultaneously rooted in punk rock/no wave as a kid as well as all kinds of other music) I think if you can make music, I don't care what kind of music history you have or not have. In fact maybe some of the more refreshing stuff from EAI is coming from people that don't necessarily have anything to do with what we all call the roots (jazz, blues, whatever). At least by my taste. But the tokyo stuff is not for everyone, that is for sure. Quote
couw Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 I need to look at the "Funny Rat" thread, but there's something a bit daunting about going thru 100+ pages... You can't go wrong if you read only my posts. Chaney's most recent recommendation Quote
John B Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 John, all three of the musicians have agreed to do AMPLIFY 2005, so it's fairly definite, we just need a venue. I'll focus more on this after I finish moving next week sometime. Jon, Good to hear! I've already told my sister, who lives in Brooklyn, that I might be staying with her for a night or two in November. She said she would go to the show with me but, as she has never heard any of the musicians in question, I'm going to make sure she has a chance to hear some of their work before buying a ticket. Quote
Craig23 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Posted January 31, 2005 (edited) Any opinions of this one?: I can't say that I'm currently a fan of EAI but I do love the Hat label. Anyone? I really like this recording. It is very melodic in its own way – similar to the collaboration between Tetsu Inoue and Andrew Deutsch (Field Tracker). It is a split between live and studio recordings, unique from one another. I have always liked the Hat Hut also and this recording is no different from the quality of work they have put out in the past. Edited January 31, 2005 by Craig23 Quote
Guest Chaney Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Reviews of and are now available from ONE FINAL NOTE. Quote
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