Hardbopjazz Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 (edited) I don't have this set, since I had all the sessions on CD already. My question is, the Mosaic web site lists the discography. It includes some rejected tunes, such as "Time On My Hands" "It's only a pepper Moon" from "The Time is Right", plus others from different sessions. Wasn't it the policy of Michael Cuscuna and Blue Note not to released tunes or takes that Alfred Lion marked as rejected? I'm wondering how these rejected tunes amd takes made it to the Mosaic. Edited January 25, 2005 by Hardbopjazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robviti Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 (edited) Wasn't it the policy of Michael Cuscuna and Blue Note not to released tunes or takes that Alfred Lion marked as rejected? I'm wondering how these rejected tunes amd takes made it to the Mosaic. unless i'm mistaken, these tracks are not included in the box set. they are listed in the discography only. Edited January 25, 2005 by jazzshrink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 (edited) That would make sense, but none of the other Mosaic as far as I know list the rejected tunes or takes. Edited January 25, 2005 by Hardbopjazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 That would make sense, but none of the other Mosaic as far as I know list the rejected tunes or takes. I don't think that's correct although I can't point to anything right now. I believe many others do in the interest of having a true and correct discography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robviti Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 That would make sense, but none of the other Mosaic as far as I know list the rejected tunes or takes. that is incorrect. i know for sure that the discography in the thad jones-mel lewis mosaic listed rejected titles that were not included in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 So in the end, those rejected tunes are not apart of the Mosaic set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 So in the end, those rejected tunes are not apart of the Mosaic set? Rejected tunes are not part of any Mosaic set, and if you look at any Mosaic Set discography, you will see that rejected tunes are still listed because they are part of the historical record of the recording session in question. If you look at your Mosaic booklet you might notice that the CD contents are listed separately from the discography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Do those rejected takes still exist? Would sure be interesting to hear them and try to get some sense as to why they were rejected. I know one of the cuts on the Lost Sessions CD, the one with Dex and Sonny Stitt, originally got bounced because they were both so drunk they could hardly play. Up over and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think the Dex and Sonny Stitt were the only complete takes recorded in that aborted session. We can probably guess why rejected takes got rejected, Dave: sloppy heads and/or uninspired solos. Given the alternates that have come out of the vaults in the past 20 or 30 years, I think its safe to say that if there are takes that are musically OK, just bettered in the issued take, then we've heard them by now, and the rejected takes really don't deserve a public hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Even some of the takes on the Lost Sessions probably would have been better staying "lost". Don't ask me which ones, I just remember thinking that this wasn't real primo material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 For the record, there is one LP in this set that has never been on CD, "Midnight Sun". I know I've gone back and forth on this set just because of this. I like the "Midnight Sun" session quite a bit but if I pick this set up, I'll have a bunch of TOCJ CDs with the same material. I still may bite. Later, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 For the record, there is one LP in this set that has never been on CD, "Midnight Sun". I know I've gone back and forth on this set just because of this. I like the "Midnight Sun" session quite a bit but if I pick this set up, I'll have a bunch of TOCJ CDs with the same material. I still may bite. Later, Kevin I had the same problem, and I did bite. I sold and am still selling my Donaldson TOCJs (I've got one left). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 For the record, there is one LP in this set that has never been on CD, "Midnight Sun". I know I've gone back and forth on this set just because of this. I like the "Midnight Sun" session quite a bit but if I pick this set up, I'll have a bunch of TOCJ CDs with the same material. I still may bite. Later, Kevin I had the same problem, and I did bite. I sold and am still selling my Donaldson TOCJs (I've got one left). Did the same with the Byrd/Adams and Mobley Mosaics and TOCJs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I go just the oppisite way. As i have been able to get covers and liner notes i have broken the Mosaic sets down to the individual lp's in the original track order. Screw session order, i want to hear the lp as i did when i bought it the first time back in the 1960's. Thats what im used to. As far as alternates, i keep the sets if i ever want to hear them. Which is not very often for most of the sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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