JSngry Posted January 24, 2005 Report Posted January 24, 2005 I've managed over the years to accquire some original Philles 45s and LPs, and the one thing I inevitabley notice is how much more "Wall Of Sound"-y these originals than any reissue I hear. A glorious noise indeed, and not just from the crappy vinyl! So, having learned more about record mastering on this board than I had ever know before, this leads me to ask a few questions: Does anybody know the "who"s and "where"s of the mastering of these records?Does anybody know if Spector himself was actively involved in the process? I'd imagine he was, but you never really know until you ask.Any ideas as to why ALL the reissues are so wussified (thanks, Kinky!) in comparison to the original issues?As a speculative side note, was the crappy, noisy vinyl strictly a matter of saving money, or did Spector perhaps view that as part of the total end audio picture? I mean, you've never really heard "River Deep, Mountain High" until you hear it on an original 45. I had heard reissues of it, and kinda got what all the fuss waas about, but when I finally heard an original 45, I GOT it. Amazing. And don't get me going on the Christmas album! I realize that this is a non-jazz matter, but I trust the folks here more than most "experts" elsewhere, at least for a first attempt to gather info. As always, thanks in advance! Quote
wolff Posted January 24, 2005 Report Posted January 24, 2005 Any initials in the dead wax? Are the reissues vinyl or cd? From what year/s? Could be a analog vs digital issue. The remastering could have been done on cheaper/different equipment. Not much help, I know. Quote
Steve Gray Posted January 26, 2005 Report Posted January 26, 2005 I guess this won't help much either but I do not think this phenomenon is limited to Spector. I feel the same way about Stax 45's and their LP/CD issues/reissues. The Sam and Dave CD reissues sound terrible compared to the 45's Also, if you have only heard the LP or CD version of 'Let me come on home' by Otis, you will never know how wonderful it really is. Quote
mjzee Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 On the general topic of '60's soul singles, I can heartily recommend the "Beg, Scream and Shout" box on Rhino. In many cases, they went back to the original singles - either the original mono single masters or the actual singles. It sounds great. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Everything was in the RED zone in those days. Push, push. Quote
JSngry Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Posted January 27, 2005 So, that would include the mastering levels as well as the recording levels, right? Recorded, mixed, and mastered at saturation point? It might be apocryphal(sp?), but I've heard stories of some stations not being able to play Spector 45s because the needle wouldn't stay in the groove, so hot was the sound. Quote
J.A.W. Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 (edited) Chuck Nessa said: Everything was in the RED zone in those days. Push, push. To my ears a lot is in the RED zone again these days. Edited January 27, 2005 by J.A.W. Quote
Stefan Wood Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 I always thought the 45s had the sound boosted, to give it that punch. Also the mastering for the 45s were different, and superior -- isn't that a reason why certain audiophile companies did 1/2 spped and 45 rpm masterings of certain lps? Quote
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