Bill Fenohr Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Chuck is probably right. Unit Structures appears in that same ad with Rough And Tumble but the ad slick does not show the logo very well. The labels probably did have the NY address,since the company was still based in NY. Even the print ads with "a product of Liberty Records" had the NY address. I was also a buyer for a retail shop at that time,but that was almost forty years ago and some things are a bit hazy these days. Like Chuck, whatever i bought for the store was plus one for me. Im sorry to say i dont have any of that vinyl today. I sold around 10,000 lps to raise capitol to start the business i have had for the last twenty five years. Mr Texas Jim, Again im going by memory, but the Jack Wilson was recorded after the sale and as i remember reading somewhere, Wilsons contract was assigned to Blue Note by the Liberty folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 (edited) This thread has caused me to reference again an old Blue Note ad which appeared in the August 1967 edition of Jazz Monthly. The BN distributor regularly put monthly adds into this mag similar to the ones in Down Beat, announcing the latest releases which had 'landed' in the UK. There was a haitus in adverts until this August edition, then the first mention of 'Liberty Records' and 3 prominent releases, namely 'Unit Structures', 'Cornbread' and 'The Jody Grind', all with Liberty sleeves. Also mentioned is 'Rough & Tumble', 'Complete Communion' and the two Ornettes at the Golden Circle. I've just checked my copy of 'Cornbread' and this has the liberty sleeve and NY USA labels. Another early Liberty which comes into this category that I have checked against is The Three Sounds 'Vibrations'. My copy of Jody Grind is a Liberty label mono gatefold but for sure there are NY USA label copies out there. Edited January 22, 2005 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 (edited) Lets confuse matters even more. I dug through some old Down Beats and here are my findngs. The sale of the company was announced in the June 30, 1966 edition. The first ad that under the BN logo said "a product of Liberty Records" appears in the August 25,1966 edition. That ad features six new releases: Lee Morgan-Search For The New Land-4169 Big John Patton-Got A Good Thing Goin-4229 Hank Mobley-Dippin'-4209 Andrew Hill-Smokestack-4160 Dexter Gordon-Gettin' Around-4204 Larry Young-Unity-4221 Now even though some of these had been in the can for a couple of years, and the jackets may have not said anything about Liberty, they paid for the ad, so i would say these were the first Liberty releases. It may be, but I have a mono copy of Lee Morgan-Search For The New Land-4169 w/o Liberty on the cover and a NY label. I'm fairly sure that my copies of all of these have the NY sleeves and labels with no mention of Liberty. In some cases (e.g the Morgan and Patton) I think the vinyl is Liberty era and not the heavier Plastilite. Edited January 22, 2005 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 My copies of Andrew Hill's Smoke Stack and Horace Silver's The Cape Verdean Blues are pre-Liberty Blue Notes. Both have the NY adress, the Van Gelder stamp and the ear. Both liner notes carry the 61st Street BN adress. Both have the '27 Years Blue Note' innersleeves. No sign of Liberty anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 (edited) Just checking my 'Cape Verdean Blues'. Plastilite with the ear NY USA, no mention of Liberty. I don't have the 'Smokestack to hand but I think it is NY USA sleeve and labels, Liberty-era vinyl, no ear. Have also checked the 'Unit Structures' and it is a Liberty sleeve with NY USA labels, Liberty-era vinyl, no ear. Another one from this transitional period would be Andrew Hill's 'Compulsion'. Edited January 22, 2005 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ariceffron Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 SO THATS WHY ALFRED SOLD BLUE NOTE-- BEACUSE THAT CRAZY QUEEN CECIL WAS PLAYING HIS PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR FREE JAZZ AND IT FUCKED ALFRED IN THE HEAD THUS HE SOLD THE COMPANY. TOO BAD THERE WASNT A HANK SESH THAT DAY FOR MAYBE ALFRED WOULD STILL BE ALIVE AND RUNNING BLUE NOTE THE OLD FASHINONED WAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 SO THATS WHY ALFRED SOLD BLUE NOTE-- BEACUSE THAT CRAZY QUEEN CECIL WAS PLAYING HIS PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR FREE JAZZ AND IT FUCKED ALFRED IN THE HEAD THUS HE SOLD THE COMPANY. TOO BAD THERE WASNT A HANK SESH THAT DAY FOR MAYBE ALFRED WOULD STILL BE ALIVE AND RUNNING BLUE NOTE THE OLD FASHINONED WAY Hmmm. Maybe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Seeing that Alfred would be 96 or 97 if he were still with us, i don't think he would be running much of anything these days,Cecil Taylor or no Cecil Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 My copy of Larry Young's 'Of Love and Peace' (BN 84242) has BN NYK labels and the Van Gelder stamp (no ear), the BN 27 Years anniversary innersleeve. The cover has the BN Division of Liberty Records logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Don't ask how I know, but the BN/Liberty sale papers were signed on May 19, 1966 - hours after Alfred recorded Unit Structures. When it was released it had a Liberty cover with no mention on the heavy Plastilyte (old pressing plant) pressing. My copy of Unit structures has the NEW YORK USA labels. The VAN GELDER stamp is there but no signs of Plastilyte (as Chuck mentioned)! On the back cover is the 43 West 61st St., New York address. LIBERTY RECORDS, INC. is written on the front cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Yep, identical to mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Seeing that Alfred would be 96 or 97 if he were still with us, i don't think he would be running much of anything these days,Cecil Taylor or no Cecil Taylor. He looked that old in the 60's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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