Jazz & Blues

[Jazz Kat]

Yo,

for practically as long as I have been a jazz fan, I have always knew/thought there was only ONE original American art-form. Which was jazz. Now I got these fellas saying there are TWO original American art-forms, BLUES and jazz.

I say, wait a minute. There is only supposed to be one art-form, jazz. (From at least what I have learned and heard for all my jazz influenced life)

But then I think, didn't blues originate from jazz? And weren't the two tied together? Please help me out. If you can set me straight, that'd be great.

Edited January 17, 2005 by Jazz Kat

[jazzbo]

It's not very simple and there aren't definitive answers (if you ask me).

Blues and jazz. . . which came first? Depends on definitions. . . . My money is on blues as a forerunner. Jazz could have numerous wellsprings. . . ragtime. . . nineteenth century brass bands. . . opera? Certainly blues.

Anyway, there's reading material out there on the California, New Orleans and other early jazz scenes that make very interesting reading!

Edited January 17, 2005 by jazzbo

[John L]

Don't forget gospel!

The tree has the same roots but many branches.

[JSngry]

The tree has the same roots but many branches.

There's your answer right there.

[Jazz Kat]

That's the answer I wanted. Now if I can only convince these other guys.

[GregK]

tell them to watch the Ken Burns Jazz documentary-they'll learn everything they need to know!

[Jim Alfredson]

tell them to watch the Ken Burns Jazz documentary-they'll learn everything they need to know!

Except who Jimmy Smith is, for starters...

[Jazz Kat]

and Grant Green...

[Brad]

and Hank Mobley and what happened in the last 45 years except for some dude named Wynton (and I don't mean Kelly).

[Jazz Kat]

I'd say 30 years. They do a good job at 1960's avant garde, a little bit of Davis and the whole fusion thing, but no jazz rock like Weather Report, or modern groups like Spyro Gyra, and The Rippingtons.

[scottb]

...and JJ Johnson who took the trombone from a novelty to a legit bebop instrument. (Of we all know that it's back to novelty status )

[scottb]

Weather Report, or modern groups like Spyro Gyra, and The Rippingtons.

Easy big fella, next you'll be wondering why Najee and the one who's name must not be spoken weren't included.

[Jim Alfredson]

Weather Report is completely worthy of inclusion. Even Spyro Gyra has some decent stuff, although most of it is schlock. But Weather Report is heavy.

[scottb]

I didn't mean to include Weather Report in my quote but The Rippingtons?

[Free For All]

...and JJ Johnson who took the trombone from a novelty to a legit bebop instrument. (Of we all know that it's back to novelty status )

[Jim Alfredson]

Scott's diggin' himself some holes tonight!

[Jazz Kat]

I didn't mean to include Weather Report in my quote but The Rippingtons?

Rippington's=smooth jazz which then =crap. Never dis Spyro Gyra! Especially their early stuff. Weather Report, either! I mentioned The Ripps all those cuz they weren't mentioned, but I mean I guess they deserve a place somewhere in jazz.

[Jazz Kat]

Weather Report, or modern groups like Spyro Gyra, and The Rippingtons.

Easy big fella, next you'll be wondering why Najee and the one who's name must not be spoken weren't included.

Perhaps you are pondering at KENNY G!!!!! LOL! Sorry, I just had to do that. You ever feel like you wanna deck that guy in the face?

[Free For All]

the one who's name must not be spoken

I didn't know Lord Voldemort was a smoothie. Figures though.

[Jazz Kat]

lol, smoothie. Those smoothies need to get some real drummers!

[John L]

The Ripps all those cuz they weren't mentioned, but I mean I guess they deserve a place somewhere in jazz.

You mean that they have become unhappy with their place outside of jazz?

[Jazz Kat]

I'm sorry, I was just commenting on (I believe it was Leeway?) who made fun of the Ripps, and Najee. I am not too into the Ripps, hence my quote. The Ripps are enjoying a successful career in the smooth jazz audience.