clifford_thornton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 Right - the South Africans would definitely fit in here. I'll leave it up to the experts, but indeed, In The Townships is a fine LP, and MRA from the 1st BoB LP is a rumpshaker indeed... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 And, apropos of the other thread, Funky Donkey does NOT have a "dorky" jacket. It's heavy! Quote
Guest donald petersen Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 cliffe, you hipped me to dulfer and i am sitting here enjoying "the morning after the third" right now. very good album and very appropriate for this thread. Quote
Guest donald petersen Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 and that image i posted up top a few posts ago is the lamont johnson mainstream album called "sun, moon and stars" or something like that. he does some really F_d up but funky stuff on the organ. Quote
Guest donald petersen Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 keeping with the BAG stuff, the human arts ensemble album "under the sun" (or at least 70? percent of it) would also work well. another good one is the kryszstof sadowski album "three thousand points"-an early 70s polish organ outish funk album (he even covers keith jarrett's "sorcery" which i guess was a popular tune back then since it was also covered by billy cobham and missing link) Quote
freeform83 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 Do the John Patton Blue Notes after Understanding and Boogaloo qualify as avant-grease to the same extent? Many posts reference Harold Alexander, but there is much less discussion of Accent on the Blues (69) and Memphis to New York Spirit (69) -- not to mention a dearth of useful reviews elsewhere online. Quote
Guest donald petersen Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 freeformer, i personally like "accent.." better than the other patton albums you mention. they would all surely fit well with the premise of this thread..just as a personal thing, "accent.." is the most interesting to me. marvin cabell is maybe not in alexander's league but he's fine and he is definitely an avant-grease player. one of the only people i have seen insulted in the liner notes to an album he is on (as he is in the "memphis.." notes by harvey pekar, but whatever). actually, i think cabell is on the lonnie smith album "mama wailer" and the long last track on that album gets pretty trippy for an early 70s kudu album. it is also worth a listen. Quote
Soulstation1 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 i think this cd would qualify for this thread Quote
Guest donald petersen Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 if you throw out the ramon morris album, the larry willis "inner crises" album should also be included. i think of them as sort of sister albums, for some reason. though i personally like the willis more. also, as epistro is discussing in another thread-the trevor watts/amalgam "innovation' album would also be an interesting choice. avant-british boogaloo from the early 70s. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 cliffe, you hipped me to dulfer and i am sitting here enjoying "the morning after the third" right now. very good album and very appropriate for this thread. That's a fine one indeed! Candy Clouds is also a great record, and El Saxofon is just retarded... Quote
freeform83 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 freeformer, i personally like "accent.." better than the other patton albums you mention. they would all surely fit well with the premise of this thread..just as a personal thing, "accent.." is the most interesting to me. marvin cabell is maybe not in alexander's league but he's fine and he is definitely an avant-grease player. one of the only people i have seen insulted in the liner notes to an album he is on (as he is in the "memphis.." notes by harvey pekar, but whatever). actually, i think cabell is on the lonnie smith album "mama wailer" and the long last track on that album gets pretty trippy for an early 70s kudu album. it is also worth a listen. As far as Smith goes, I have only Think! (Blue Note, 68). I do like it, particularly that "Call of the Wild" track, but don't know if it's quite the "perfect mix of funky soul and forward-thinking jazz" that AMG would have us believe. Still, I'm looking forward to hearing Mama Wailer, especially after your recomendation. Quote
Shawn Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 freeform, you MUST get these, excellent sessions... Turning Point definitely fits the avant-grease category...and what a BAND! Lee Morgan, Julian Priester, Bennie Maupin, Melvin Sparks & Idris Muhammad!!! Can I get an Amen? Drives is not quite up to those standards, but the back to back combination of Spinning Wheel (a really killer jazz read, btw) and Seven Steps To Heaven (on acid) is a joy to hear. Quote
freeform83 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 (edited) freeform, you MUST get these, excellent sessions... Turning Point definitely fits the avant-grease category...and what a BAND! Lee Morgan, Julian Priester, Bennie Maupin, Melvin Sparks & Idris Muhammad!!! Can I get an Amen? Drives is not quite up to those standards, but the back to back combination of Spinning Wheel (a really killer jazz read, btw) and Seven Steps To Heaven (on acid) is a joy to hear. Cool, I'm sure this "Seven Steps to Heaven" will make an interesting companion piece to the one on Larry Young's Of Love and Peace! Looks like I have a ton of Lonnie Smith, Reuben Wilson, and early 70s free funk to stock up on (to the extent that a law student making $10 an hour can "stock up" on anything). Edited June 21, 2007 by freeform83 Quote
kh1958 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 The Don Pullen album on "Atlantic" (can't think of the title at the moment) - that first track is hard to beat. And Archie Shepp's "Kwanza." Tomorrow's Promises. Quote
AndrewHill Posted June 22, 2007 Report Posted June 22, 2007 Has anyone heard the Brute Force album (Embryo, 70) with Sonny Sharrock, produced by Herbie Mann? I am looking for opinions on whether or not this would qualify or is recommended. Same goes for Last Exit. Concerning Last Exit, of the three titles I own [Last Exit (Enemy), Iron Path (Virgin Venture), and Koln (ITM)], they occasionally get bluesy, but not greasy. These are some badass albums nonetheless, and if you can find them, get 'em (Koln just reappeared in the UMS recently. Don't know about the other two.) Quote
DMP Posted June 22, 2007 Report Posted June 22, 2007 Right, "Tomoorow's Promises," thanks. The first cut could almost be on some Prestige soul album - until Pullen shows up for the last solo. Quote
NaturalSoul Posted June 23, 2007 Report Posted June 23, 2007 freeform, you MUST get these, excellent sessions... Turning Point definitely fits the avant-grease category...and what a BAND! Lee Morgan, Julian Priester, Bennie Maupin, Melvin Sparks & Idris Muhammad!!! Can I get an Amen? Drives is not quite up to those standards, but the back to back combination of Spinning Wheel (a really killer jazz read, btw) and Seven Steps To Heaven (on acid) is a joy to hear. I always pass on Turning Point. I think it's 'bout time i get it. Quote
AndrewHill Posted June 23, 2007 Report Posted June 23, 2007 freeform, you MUST get these, excellent sessions... Turning Point definitely fits the avant-grease category...and what a BAND! Lee Morgan, Julian Priester, Bennie Maupin, Melvin Sparks & Idris Muhammad!!! Can I get an Amen? Drives is not quite up to those standards, but the back to back combination of Spinning Wheel (a really killer jazz read, btw) and Seven Steps To Heaven (on acid) is a joy to hear. I always pass on Turning Point. I think it's 'bout time i get it. Turning Point is badass. That's my favorite Smith album along with Think! which is almost right there next to it. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted June 23, 2007 Report Posted June 23, 2007 I've always passed on Drives 'cause the one time I heard it I thought it was stiff, esp'ly compared to the v. energenic Live @ the Club Mozambique with which it shares some material. Turning Point is perhaps a little more 'thoughtful' than Think! but the're both fine. Quote
blajay Posted December 16, 2008 Report Posted December 16, 2008 On a slightly different tip, I guess, there's some great stuff on the newish Kalaparusha and the Light album on Delmark, as well as from 8 Bold Souls... The Kalaparusha tune "Jays" from the Wildflowers New York Jazz Loft Sessions fits this perfectly. Quote
ATR Posted December 16, 2008 Report Posted December 16, 2008 Maybe it's not considered avant enough, but any of the Miles Davis bands from Complete Cellar Door through Get Up With It, Agharta, etc. For one track, it's hard to top Henry Threadgill Sextett's Bermuda Blues from You Know the Number, or his Very Very Circus composition Try Some Ammonia from Too Much Sugar for a Dime. He used to do this number in concert only, entitled Cool, Cool, Well Water that was an absolute scorcher. Never has appeared on a recording. I prefer the Pullen composition Big Alice from Live at the Village Vanguard with the Adams/Pullen group. Got a hand jive like back beat. James Carter with Marc Ribot, Jamaaladeen, and G. Calvin on his Layin' in the Cut for Atlantic. Jamaaladeen's own Showstopper for Gramavision, and Bernie Worrell's Funk of Ages for the same label. Ornette Coleman, Of Human Feelings. Quote
.:.impossible Posted December 16, 2008 Report Posted December 16, 2008 I've been keeping a playlist for a while now called Fazz Junk. This thread is perfect for that list. Lots of stuff from the thread is already there. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 A couple of extra things to recommend - neither are available on CD, however. George Freeman - Frantic diagnosis - Bam-boo (produced by Sonny Hopson in the early seventies). This was reissued sometime in the nineties, on LP only, by Ubiquity. It has brother Von, Caesar Frazier on organ, Charles Earland on synth, Dave Hubbard on alto flute plus a bunch of rhythm section. The title track is 19 mins and SCREAMS! "The bump" and "Free-man" are more in the same vein, but not quite so far outside. And "God bless the child" is played the way it should be. Rhoda Scott - Live at Club Saint Germain - Barclay a 2 LP set never reissued. A trio, with Rhoda's regular drummer and Leo Johnson on tenor on some tracks. Johnson was in a very outside mood that evening - quite different from his normal playing. I included one long cut - War's "Slipping into darkness" - in my BFT last year. Of course, there's also Rhoda's 2CD set "Very saxy" on Ahead. Disc 1 features Ricky Ford tearing the paint off the walls. Disc 2 has Houston Person doing his usual thing; very good if you like it. MG Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Pretty much almost anything by: Michael Ray & The Cosmic Krewe Peter Apfelbaum & The Hieroglyphics (new or old, East Coast or West Coast editions) Ken Field's Revolutionary Snake Ensemble Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted January 9, 2009 Report Posted January 9, 2009 I'm listening to Archie Shepp's Mama Too Tight as I type this. Avant-grease indeed! Quote
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